This picture says it all for me:
Here's how it works: if a centrist wins, they throw a four-year perpetual tantrum, amplified by their control of the media. If a leftist wins, we all join hands and sing Kumbaya. The war's over, everything's settled, we're all progressives now.About that photo: If perhaps she'd had an American flag up there I'd think about it...
Guess again, moonbats.
Hat Tip: Maggie's Farm.
"I urge all Americans ... I urge all Americans who supported me to join me in not just congratulating him, but offering our next president our good will and earnest effort to find ways to come together to find the necessary compromises to bridge our differences and help restore our prosperity, defend our security in a dangerous world, and leave our children and grandchildren a stronger, better country than we inherited."
ReplyDeleteI agree...there is no "color purple" like the Oprah's of the world claim. What they are really saying is adopt our philosophy and we won't call you racist bigots anymore and crucify you like we did Bush. That's how I interpret that cozy statement...whatever moonbats. :)N
ReplyDeleteAt least cite a link, Reppy.
ReplyDeleteMcCain lost in large measure because he was too "gracious," and if you think that coming together with Obama is going to make a more prosperous world, you're high.
JUST SAY NO TO OBAMA CULT!
Thanks Nikki!
ReplyDeleteThe more I think about it, the more condescendingly arrogant are the Obama cultists, like Repsac3 above.
Unlike your fellow-travelers, repsac, we don't blindly follow-the-leader.
ReplyDeleteI stand by my earlier statements. I will give respect to the office ... and to its holder, commensurate with the wisdom demonstrated.
But that doesn't mean I'm willing to sing Kumbiyah, when the Real Peace Song of this day is still Yippie-Ky-Ay-A ... regardless of who is President.
DD, I kind of agree. The Dems won the executive branch and strenghtened their hold in the legislative and there will likely be a few openings in the Supreme Court. Why the Hell should those on the left play nice?
ReplyDeleteOh, and the Republican party can't decide what it wants to be.
The thing I am willing to offer is prayer for his wisdom, an awareness of his inhumility, and his high, and haughty look (which I have witnessed ad nauseum)and for we who are beginning to see what is in store for America, grace to act with civility toward all the deluded followers still thinking of him as the messiah come to earth in the flesh.
ReplyDeleteI keep expecting, any day now, that when he gives a speech, instead of hearing handclaps in applause, all that will be heard is the the chant, "Obama! Obama! Obama!"
Who knows what will happen with a megalomaniac in power?
I'am going to have a stomach ache for the next four years. Anyway, Jackie Mason will have some great material.
ReplyDeleteThis is why Obama will when in '12...I can almost guarantee it.
ReplyDeleteOur side is too weak.
Let Obama fall on his face. His supporters don’t know who he is and each imagines something different. When he is in power he will have to move from vague rhetoric to concrete reality. What happens to a liberal mugged by reality?
ReplyDeleteI suggest accurate, factual, but tough and firm criticism. During the election he showed he is willing to cave to criticism for power. He needs constant … what shall we call it … feedback.
Get ready to fight!
I have not commented on this because I believe that it is totally insincere and gives these people more publicity than they deserve. Look, unlike many of these sychophants, I will respect the office and the soon to be president. But, believe me, do not expect ANYONE on the conservative side to lie down for The One! These cretins spent the last eight or four years tearing President Bush down in ways that are utterly disgusting. And they really think that putting their photos on the internet with "I love you now that our guy won" is going to make all A-OK? No way! I won't lower myself to the moonbattery of these cretins, but we will have so much material on our soon to be president and his minions. In that way, it is going to be a great four years!
ReplyDeleteWe're in this together alright, like a struggling man and a pair of cement shoes are in the river together.
ReplyDeleteMy prayer for Obama is that he will repent before it's too late.
In my opinion, I find it very hard to even THINK about compromising with the LEFT when everything they believe and stand for is wrong. There is no middle... there is no compromise with the Left’s Dangerous Thinking/Policies!!!
ReplyDeleteAubreyJ..........
the only thing i have to say is, that any compromise with the left is a win for them. that is an inevitible conclusion regardless of the issue.
ReplyDeleterepsac,
you ought to read your quotes of others with understanding and present them in that way before using them to promote yourself.
we will all congratulate him for his win. that is democracy. that is more than what the left did for Bush when he won.
finding compromises? why when every compromise is a win for the left and a defeat for the right.
offer him our good will, when was the last time the left offered any good will in the last 8 years?
So what does "repsac" thing our reaction should be? What would his have been if McCain had won?
ReplyDeleteI took a trip to his blog, where his last post is an attack on anyone who is not happy that Obama won. Conveniently, he doesn't say what our reaction should be, or what his would have been had McCain won.
All of which tells me that moonbats like him really do expect everyone to fall on their knees and worship The One.
Amazing.
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ReplyDelete"He claimed to be God."
ReplyDeleteCan you give a quote or citation where he did this?
Apparently, Donnie thinks I fear you folks...
ReplyDeleteNot so much, actually....
No one at the 52/48 site--be they from the left or from the right (& yes, you folks do seem to ignore all the contributions from folks on the right, there)--is suggesting that you give up your principles, like Obama any better than you ever have, or adopt any other political philosophy... It's suggesting that you (& we) stop demonizing anyone & everyone who doesn't agree with you (or "us")...
That anyone would consider me any kind of Obama cultist is kinda funny. No Democrat, no Obama materials, & didn't even vote for the guy...
Jason has the right idea in his comment: I suggest accurate, factual, but tough and firm criticism.
Sure, you can look to the way Bush was treated by some on the left (which many of you railed about incesently) & vow to to the same to Obama & Democrats (or "almost the same, except respectfully" in a sorry effort to appear less of a hypocrite than the vow itself evidences, given all that whining), but many Americans are tired of the whole thing, and will reject anyone on any side who goes that way...
@Griper: repsac,
you ought to read your quotes of others with understanding and present them in that way before using them to promote yourself.
Promote myself? What in hell are you talking about, Griper? (What are the chances you'll actually answer?)
I copied what the man said... It's what the site is about. It's what many Americans are about. Not compromise, but respect & understanding for those with whom you differ. Yes, folks on the left need to be more respectful, too. Of course they do... We all do.
@"Tom": So what does "repsac" thing [sic] our reaction should be?
Respect for other Americans. Argument, based on the merits. Less divisive namecalling & appeals to worn out labels. Seeing people left & right as individuals, rather than as groups that speak & act as one.
I took a trip to his blog, where his last post is an attack on anyone who is not happy that Obama won. Conveniently, he doesn't say what our reaction should be, or what his would have been had McCain won.
My last post was about this same 52/48 site. It isn't an attack on those who aren't happy Obama won, but an "attack" on those who prefer divisiveness to respect. It wasn't about Obama, or anyone's reaction to the election results, at all... EXCEPT... I did post two RIGHTWING bloggers reactions to the election, as examples of folks who had the right idea as regards respect for others. (So much for Tom's "wingnut" theory...)
((Any of you folks who thought the fair professor was dead wrong about McCain from the start, and only voted for the runner up in the "Worst Republican Candidate (running) in the World" contest (I know... For most of you, Ron Paul was the "worst") because you had no other choice, you'll probably like Patrick M's "Sane Political Discourse" blog, one of the two I mention... Disagreement, without being disagreeable... (unless you throw the first punch... Then all bets are off, there...))
repsac, when the Left expands the definition of "fair and balanced" beyond a debate between Bernie Sanders and Robert Byrd, perhaps your words will hold water.
ReplyDeleteSince November 2000 ... certainly since March 2003 ... the vast majority of Leftist opinion I've seen has been based upon the fairness-obsessed (at a kindergarten level), navel-gazing, self-doubting conventional wisdom of the 20th Century, as if human history started with the birth of the first Baby Boomer.
Not upon the wisdom embodied by those who founded this nation ... who declared that "we hold these truths to be self-evident", then acted accordingly.
And not in an intellectually-honest manner, but instead a manner that simultaneously called for "nuance" while swinging the broadest brush over the principles of human interaction ... even as they were demonstrated by events like the Awakenings.
What your fellow-travelers seek is not dialog, but capitulation to their worldview.
Until y'all acknowledge your own perceptual limitations ... your own errors of INACTION that made today's conflicts inevitable, harder, and longer ... how your conventional wisdom has time and again failed to secure peace and prosperity ... and your own incivility ... this conflict will continue.
And understand this ... if the price of civility is perpetuating the Leftist worldview as the dominant worldview of our culture, it is a price not worth paying.
If you want civility, the discourse has to be a two-way street, well beyond Sanders Avenue and Byrd Boulevard.
It's a good speech, Rich, but it's ultimately non-responsive to the topic.
ReplyDeletewhen the Left expands the definition of "fair and balanced" beyond a debate between Bernie Sanders and Robert Byrd, perhaps your words will hold water.
Yes, some folks on the left have a narrow view of things. The same is true on the right. Both have people who could open up, a bit. Narrow ideology, or being "fair & balanced" has nothing to do with respect for other people, though.
Since November 2000 ... certainly since March 2003 ... the vast majority of Leftist opinion I've seen has been based upon the fairness-obsessed (at a kindergarten level), navel-gazing, self-doubting conventional wisdom of the 20th Century, as if human history started with the birth of the first Baby Boomer.
We've been over this & over this... Here, I prefer the traditional "conventional wisdom" that has gotten us through pretty much every conflict since we became a nation over your radical ideas about foreign policy. I'm not saying you're not welcome to have & hold them, but the vast majority of the American people do not appear to agree with you. To the best of my recollection, no one here at this blog has backed you, even. They all just remain politely quiet when you post your "20th century thinking for a 21st century world" spiel...
And again, whether you're ultimately right or wrong in your foreign policy views, it has nothing to do with respect for others.
What your fellow-travelers seek is not dialog, but capitulation to their worldview.
Everyone on every side ultimately seeks capitulation by everyone else to "their" worldview, one way or another, but for some of us--many of us, thankfully--dialog is the way to get there... The people on 52/48 are trying to say respect for the other side and "hashing it out," is the way to go... It's not about giving in, but letting go of the bullshit hate and the labels that become meaningless through overuse, & TALKING to one another.
Until y'all acknowledge your own perceptual limitations ... your own errors of INACTION that made today's conflicts inevitable, harder, and longer ... how your conventional wisdom has time and again failed to secure peace and prosperity ... and your own incivility ... this conflict will continue.
Putting aside all the particulars that have nothing to do with the topic, of course the conflict will continue... The Left & the Right have different political philosophies, and the idea that anyone's asking or expecting anyone else to give up or give in is a myth. Disagree. Don't demean & demonize.
And understand this ... if the price of civility is perpetuating the Leftist worldview as the dominant worldview of our culture, it is a price not worth paying.
If you want civility, the discourse has to be a two-way street, well beyond Sanders Avenue and Byrd Boulevard
The price of civility is civility. It's not about what either side believes, or how narrow one's mind is, but about remembering that it's likely you have a close friend or family member on the opposing team, and that when you toss out the "moonbat" or "wingnut" labels & all the meaning you attach to them, you're talking about that friend or family member, too... It's about treating the wingnuts/moonbats you don't know as well as you treat the ones you do know, just because people--even people who don't share your politics--deserve respect. (If someone hits, by all means, hit back... But don't throw the first punch, just because the person's not in your "tribe," and may hit you, maybe...)
Putting aside all the particulars that have nothing to do with the topic, of course the conflict will continue... The Left & the Right have different political philosophies, and the idea that anyone's asking or expecting anyone else to give up or give in is a myth. Disagree.
ReplyDeleteAll well and good ... until someone starts turning ideology into policy.
Then, the particulars do matter ... as well as the intellectual honesty of those making the decisions.
If the decision-makers do not have the intellectual honesty to recognize their own errors in the light of history and reason (or hide them behind popular acceptance of their position ... hey, even slavery was popular in some places once), then place both their own error and that of their political opponents in actual historical perspective, then their credibility as decision-makers is compromised.
It's not like I have seen this game before, repsac ... and you need to remember that intellectual honesty is inherently in short supply among the morally relative that dominate ONLY ONE side of this debate.
While you might have a stash of that ... many of your fellow-travelers, some of whom are now decision-makers, threw theirs in the 7-11 trash receptacles a long time ago.
Here, I prefer the traditional "conventional wisdom" that has gotten us through pretty much every conflict since we became a nation over your radical ideas about foreign policy.
ReplyDeleteAcutally, that conventional wisdom has only been applicable for the last 60 years or so ... before that, we usually decisively engaged our enemies and defeated them as expeditiously as possible, and did not engage in the perpetual paralysis-by-analysis/vacillation/navel-gazing/self-flagellation that is now the Left's stock-in-trade.
And it has also been in those last 60 years that technology, commerce, and (yes) freedom have combined to produce a highly-interconnected planet ... a place where a few dozen can stealthily leverage the above to wreak havoc on a scale that previously took years and armies -- both highly visible to the defenders of life and liberty before their use -- to perpetrate.
The game has changed ... so the conventional wisdom of the last century does NOT apply ... as if it ever did.
@ Rich: I don't suppose I need to mention that you're drifting off topic, again...
ReplyDeleteYes, there are conversations & circumstances where the particulars you brought up do matter. This isn't one of 'em.
No, popularity does not equate with correctness. Most good ideas are opposed by the masses, at first, and many bad ones have come to be widely supported.
There really is no intellectual or rhetorical vice exclusive to a particular side of any partisan debate. That you believe otherwise, and are willing to spread such a sweeping generalization over so much of the left, in big bold capital letters, no less, calls your own intellectual honesty into question.