Wednesday, February 11, 2009

Suleman Octuplets Could Cost Taxpayers Millions

Via the Los Angeles Times:

Nadya Suleman has 14 children, including newborn octuplets. She has no job, no income and owes $50,000 in student loans.

Still, the 33-year-old Whittier woman said she's confident that she can afford to raise her huge family, insisting she can do it without welfare. In an interview Tuesday with NBC, she said she could use student loans to make ends meet until she finishes graduate school and gets a job.

But Suleman faces what are likely to be millions of dollars in medical bills alone, and it's increasingly likely that taxpayers will foot many of those bills.

Her family is eligible for large sums of public assistance money. Even before she gave birth to the octuplets Jan. 26, Suleman was receiving $490 in monthly food stamps, and three of her children were receiving federal supplemental security income because they are disabled.

Lowell Kepke, a spokesman for the San Francisco office of the Social Security Administration, said that a single parent with no income qualifies for up to $793 a month for each child with a physical or mental condition that results in "marked or severe functional limitations." That money is used for support and maintenance of the family, and Suleman would not be required to specifically account for how it is spent.

If Suleman's disabled children received the maximum payment, she would get nearly $2,900 a month in state and federal assistance, including the food stamps.
I will never discount the miracle of life that is God's gift of the octuplets. But I'm having a really hard time seeing how the sense of responsibility of the mother and the fertility specialists just disappeared. The most important decision when thinking about bringing a child into the world is how the family will pay the costs, from prenatal care to delivery and hospital expenses, and then, of course, for the rest of a safe, secure, and healthy life. I don't believe Nadya Suleman is completely in her right mind when she suggests she'll soon be fully be able to care for these children without any outside/public support whatsoever (as she claims at the piece).

I think this is more than a deeply troubling issue at the individual psychological level. There's a social breakdown here along the way, in terms of expectations, medical guidance and advisement, and of a social welfare system that enables such extreme childbearing decisions altogether.


I pray these children have a good life. The first photos of the octuplets are here.

91 comments:

joewxman said...

this is not about choice its about responsibility. And when someone is having children which are being cared for and supported on my dime i have a right to say something.

the woman has some sort of screw loose. And the doctor who implanted the embryos should be barred from practicing medicine.

Donald Douglas said...

Thanks for commenting, Joe.

shoprat said...

To the left only the state can be responsible. The sheeple are incapable of it so the state must manage their lives. LeftWingIdeology 101.

cracker said...

pro-life is pro life

even if the parents are idiots

comes with the territory.

Living children should never starve in this country

Donna B. said...

Cracker's got it right. Those children, all 14 of them did not ASK to be born and they deserve whatever care our society can give them.

The mother... not so much.

My husband and were talking tonight about how we'd like to adopt one of those children. Our dysfunctional (ie, normal) household would probably not allow us to adopt, but the love we could give one of those beautiful infants would overcome most anything.

It's just that no one one person can show that kind of love - or even provide for the basic care (diaper changes?) required for 8 infants.

I've seen their photos and the videos of them. They are beautiful babies.

Of course, I'm a grandma and think all babies are beautiful.

However society chooses to "punish" Nadya, I hope that does not flow to the babies.

Anonymous said...

She can have all the kids she wants BUT she should be cut off from public assistance FOREVER. There is no way she should be receiving almost $3000 a month to sit around and watch tv and live for free. If she wants the kids, then PAY THE PRICE like honest hardworking people. There are people losing their jobs who can't afford rent or heat but this nutjob collects free cash, asks for donations on a website, has a publicist and has her millions in medical care for the births paid by taxpayers in a state that's $42 BILLION in the red?

BULL.

Anonymous said...

Did I mentioned she already collected $165,000 in disability for the past 10 years for a bogus claim? She has collected nearly $2,000,000 in disability and taxpayer-paid medical care while not working a single day!

You folks want to support that? Fine, you people can pay her bills but I will spend my hardearned money on myself.

Dennis said...

Actually I just love hearing the feminists squeal. It is amazing how quickly "choice" becomes an anathema to the left.
Pro-choice is pro choice, even if the parent is an idiot. It comes with the territory. Though "Dead"children, as opposed to living children, should not starve in this country. Sarcasm off.

Todd Thibedeau said...

I just have one word for Ms. Suleman: Irresponsible--manipulator--idiot--player--bad mom--thief--self-serving--con-artist--ignorant--vile--rotten--unconscionable--egotist--arrogant--brazen--leach--bottom-feeder--excessive--schmuck--toxic--shameless--parasite--predator. Now us taxpayers will have to pay for her "miracles".
Thank you Ms. Suleman for showing us that there are no limits to what one can accomplish to the detriment of society. You are truly a class act that no one should follow.

PrivatePigg said...

You know, if one poor, black, liberal woman had had all of these children, one-at-a-time, and each was put on the government dole, no one would give a shit.

cracker said...

Private Pigg

One at a time, that would be true for any women!.....not just poor ones, black ones and/or liberal ones, but white ones, brown ones, dumb ones, smart ones.....pretty ones and ugly ones too. Been dat whey since day 1.

its the "octuplet in vitro" scenario that makes this NEW and interesting

Anonymous said...

We were planning on moving back to California, when we retired because that is where our family is. If the taxpayers of California are going to have to pay to support this family, then we will stay here in Florida.

Average American said...

The doctor that planted those kids should have to harvest and PAY for what he sowed!

Anonymous said...

Polygamists in many states produce scores of children and then rip off the government for health care and food stamps. Why is this one woman getting all of the flack? At least she has some work ethic aimed at completing her education. I think it is because she is a single woman, and this makes her one of societies most feared members. For the love of pete look at how many kids are in abusive homes with only one child. She made a decision that is pretty strange but she is not a monster for it. With all that is wrong in the world, why the heck aren't we asking some bank CEO how many SETS of octuplets could have been raised on wasted taxpayer dollars?

Anonymous said...

How is it that one dude can father 50 kids from a variety of women and not pay a cent of child support and gets a slap on the wrist, while a single mom who sticks around to actually raise the kids is the only one who gets grief for being a tramp and filing for assistance? What kind of "out of sight out of mind" double standard is this for the irresponsible men out there?

Anonymous said...

Suleman should keep her word and not accept any support from the Fed Gov. She states that she doesnt accept welfare but in reality does. When you accept food stamps and disability checks for disabled children, then in fact you are. She states that she can support her children on her own. It that is the case then why has she set up a website asking for donatations. What should be done is that DHR step in and take her children away and put up for adoption. Her father states he is moving back to Irac and her mother wants nothing to do with helping her. I feel that Miss Suleman has given birth in order to make a reality show, book deal, movie, and so on and so on.

Anonymous said...

Why was she allowed more than one child on IVF if she wasn't working to keep herself? That's what people should be asking. She's a golddigger and those children will suffer for it.

If she can't get off her backside and work then she shouldn't have children. IVF isn't natural, it's meant for those who genuinely aren't able (medically) to have children of their own.

The doctor should be struck off and the children should be taken off this woman, if the state have to pay for them then that stupid selfish woman shouldn't benefit at all. How can one woman possibly provide 14 children with the care or emotional support they will inevitably need growing up?

Anonymous said...

I worked in the health insurance industry for five years, providing customer service to a State Funded Medicaid program in Texas that was run by our insurance company... this is not new news... the in vitro part is, but the welfare part is not... disabled children get more money in SSI disability than most hard-working retired Americans get when they turn 65! I am now disabled with multiple sclerosis, at age 42, I am bringing in less from Social Security than ONE of her disabled children, and neither she nor her children have ever worked! I worked all of my adult life! I have a solution! It should be the parents responsibility to care for disabled children, not Social Security, the program is in enough trouble already! Go Out and Get A Job To Support Your Kids!!!!! Face it, she had the kids to get more SSI Disability checks and knew that with in vitro, there was a larger chance of having disabled children, disabled children means more money coming in.......

MINAK said...

THE IVF DOCTOR SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HALF OF THE COST OF ALL OF NADYA SULEMAN'S 14 CHILDREN. HE BECAME THE DEFACTO FATHER WHEN HE CREATED THESE CHILDREN. PRIOR TO THE LAST ACT OF IMPLANTING 6 EMBRYOS, HE KNEW THE SOCIAL SITUATION. YET, HE CONTINUED TO DO THE IMPLANTATION, TO CREATE MORE BABIES. THIS IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN HAVING UNPROTECTED INTERCOURSE WITH AN OVULATING (SIX EGGS) FEMALE DURING HER FERTILE DAYS.

Anonymous said...

This woman has commented that she plans on using her student loans to support her family. I distinctly remember when my children applied for student loans, it was made VERY clear the money was to be used for SCHOOL only!!! Isn't her announcing that her intent violate the agreement? Shouldn't the provider's of her loans demand repayment? Isn't this illegal? Where among all her irresponsible actions will she be held responsible?

Anonymous said...

Joe and Todd have hit the nail on the head! Many of us who had hoped to retire someday are working to support people like Suleman (not to mention, illegals getting assistance that many citizens are denied). The doctor should have his license pulled and she should get a job, find an apartment, and find someone who wants to babysit 14 children and pay for them herself!

Anonymous said...

This woman has made her bed, now let her lay in it. She made a choice and now she should be held accountable for her choice and not ask for money or help, after all isn't she Superwoman?

Anonymous said...

What happens to her disabled children? Moms out there--could you properly care for and love how many disabled children (?), and go to school, and work (when you found a job) not to mention the rest of the 6? Most of us max out on trying to work and raise a couple of normal, healthy children. A few of us are over-achievers and do the school thing too, but 6 kids and some disabled already? Forget the 8 what happens to these kids? And how did she pay the $10,000+ medical costs for the invitro to begin with--school loans? What's she going to pay for school with? And if she doesn't take another class she'll have to start paying those in 6 months--and no job. Even if she gets a job--does she have any idea how much daycare will cost?

Anonymous said...

What gets me is that when hard working parents end up needing help there is no help!!!!!!!!! I have 4 of my own and we payed for everything so far but the last year has been hard. So try to get help but no can't get nothing. We both have worked since we was in High school and of course nope. So I think this women and doctor should just pay for it all. Sorry but get a job

lin said...

Suleman is NOW receiving $2,900 in Federal Aid for her 3 "disabled" children. She will get an additional $ 793 of Federal aid for each of her "disabled" children. That could be as high as 4 - an additional $3,173 added to $2,900. And then the food stamps she'll be getting will be way over $ 600+ for 14 kids to feed. Now, she can get her nails and hair done every week to get away from the babies. She'll even be able to afford a tummy tuck now on her $6,073 (which you do not have to account for). I wish her sperm donor "ex-boyfriend" would come forward and reveal the real Nadya. I think we would find out she's not as loving as she pretends, but she is extremely self serving and conniving. Why is her sperm donor allowed to be anonymous when us taxpayers are all footing their children's bills?

Anonymous said...

I retired from Jobs and Family Services and SSI income is varied by state and California pays one of the highest per individual. It has a COLA increase each year. A child will recieve this money for many reasons, one being 'low birth weight'.Which is pretty much a guarentee with multiple births. This continues until the childs weight is up to the average child. Sometimes years. Other reasons, mental or physical disability or slow learner. Parents actually 'dummy down' their children with drugs for ADD.
And the SSI is welfare.
tsanders

lin said...

Suleman is NOW receiving $2900 in Federal Aid for her 3 "disabled" children. She will get an additional $793 of Federal aid for each of her "disabled" children. That could be as high as 4 - an additional $3,173 added to $2900. And then the food stamps she'll be getting will be way over $600+ for 14 kids to feed. Now, she can get her nails and hair done every week to get away from the babies. She'll even be able to afford a tummy tuck now on her $6,073 (which you do not have to account for). Will she pay her $2 million hospital bills for her and the babies out of the $2 million per interview she's receiving? I wish her sperm donor "ex-boyfriend" would come forward and reveal the real Nadya. I think we would find out she's not as loving as she pretends, but she is extremely self serving and conniving. Why is he allowed to be anonymous when us taxpayers are all footing their children's bills?

Anonymous said...

I love cars. I wish I had eight of them. If I could just get the state to pay for delivery and fuel them, then I would be happy to make sure they are clean and well exercised! And I wouldn't need welfare, except maybe for the wax and apolstry cleaner.

Anonymous said...

First, Department of Family Services should be involved already - it is glaringly obvious that none of the 14 kids will get proper care from this woman - the only one she cares for is herself. Second, a master's degree in Counseling???? Talk about "physician, heal thyself"!! How is she going to make a living giving counseling to other people when she can't even make rational life choices for herself??

Anonymous said...

I am Pro-Life, but Suleman tried to circumvent God's planning for Suleman to be infertile by recurrently making new embryos. If she wanted a big family, she could have adopted or just used the first set of embryos instead of making more and more embryos with her sperm donor. I defnitely hope that the Infertility doctor gets his license pulled. The embryos may have belonged to her, but he could have refused to make more embryos and/or refused to implant any of them.

Anonymous said...

Amen, everyone! How could this woman possibly think (we know she doesn't for a minute think she can do it!) she can raise 14 children as a single mother??? The task is completely impossible! Who will care for these children while she finishes her education? And where is her income (we know she isn't accepting government aid! Yeh, right!) while she completes her education? Does she have ANY idea how much daycare costs? And how will she possibly feed herself and 14 children while she finishes school? My husband and I have three boys and our food bill is $250 per week! She doesn't even have a job! This is an unfair burden to the CA tax payers. Thankfully, I live in NJ and will not be responsible for raising her children. She should not be allowed to raise these children. They are going to suffer emotionally and physically for their entire lives unless the state of CA is burdened with their child care expenses and their living expenses. The doctor who did the procedure should definitely have his license revoked. I would LOVE to see this woman in a room with 14 crying, fighting, whining children trying to console them all herself. It's a joke! If she is left to do this on her own, she will end up in a major stress-induced depression! There is no one on this planet who could take care of 14 children all alone within that age range. Wake up, lady! CA did not want this burden placed upon them! We don't all think you're wonderful for doing this. We think you are extremely selfish!

Anonymous said...

Who ever said she was infertile? God did not make her infertile. She was unmarried at the time of ALL ivf. The "father" was her ex-boyfriend who chose not to marry her. I feel sorry for these 14 children. Every one of them should be taken away from her and placed in homes that will give them the love and the support they need. She should also have a full hysterectomy so that she can no longer have children. She and the doctor(s) that performed the ivf should have his license pulled. The clinics should pay for the medical bills from the birthing and care of the infants. She should have to pay for the birth and care of the infants. These children NEVER asked to be born (some with mental disabilities that THEY will have to live with for the rest of their lives). God knew what he was doing when he made us to have one (sometimes two) children NATURALLY! We weren't made to have litters like cats, dogs, pigs, etc.

Anonymous said...

Personally, the doctor who implanted should be paying part of the bill. He knew she had 6 other children - he implanted them as well; he had to know she was not footing her own medical bills and thus should have questioned how she would afford these. Since he is the "implanter" - hence, the father - he should have some responsibility here.

Anonymous said...

I agree that we were not made to have "litters." But, these children are here and, unless someone wants to kill innocent babies, someone needs to care for them. Suleman has a website for donations. Instead of sending money to her (she and God only know how the money will be spent), maybe the money can be used for a fund to set up for finding a family to adopt these children into a home that wants and can care for them. Most, if not all, of the children should be taken away from her.

workerbeeinLA said...

The only reason Suleman is getting all of this publicity is because she had 8. We have to remember she is 1 of many who take advantage of the system. It is a choice to have children. Though I would like to have children, I have chose not to due to my financial situation. Perhaps I could afford to have children if 38% of my salary wasn't being sucked down in taxes by people such as Suleman. Why should I as a California taxpayer be responsible for taking care of other people's children. She chose to have children. She needs to figure out a way to take care of them without relying on the California taxpayers; otherwise, there are many, many financially stable and caring parents that can. By the way, for those who believe that the chidlren should be cared for no matter what, this family and others take donations. Have at it!

workerbeeinLA said...

Why are we allowing IV without a background check, home inspection, psychological examination, etc... The process for IV should be no different than if one were to adopt a child. I don't blame the physician who implanted Suleman. There are no rules in place that says he shouldn't have. As a matter of fact, if he refused, he very well could have ended up in a discrimination lawsuit.

Anonymous said...

THIS IS ALL FOR ATTENTION AND WE ARE ALL GIVING IT TO HER. SAW HER INTERVIEW AND ALL THAT SOFT TALKING WAS JUST WEIRD. WHO PAID FOR THE COSMETIC PROCEDURES SHE SEEMS TO HAVE HAD? I GUESS IF SHE COULD BE A MOVIE STAR LIKE ANGELINA SHE WOULD BUT SHE HAS NOW MADE HERSELF FAMOUS THIS WAY AT THE PRICE OF THOSE SWEET BABIES

Anonymous said...

Suleman was getting disability or workmans comp money for a back injury she sustained on the job. She couldn't work, but she could carry 8 babies with her "bad" back?! I'm happy I don't live in Cali, and my state taxes won't be used to support this oxygen thirf, but I'm sure my federal tax dollars will. Nobody should have to pay for HER choices except her Dr.; brilliant 3rd world medical school graduate that he must be!

sheryl said...

This children need to removed from her care now and adopted by responsible parents that don't depend on the welfare system to pick up the bill and continue to do this their entire life. She had no regard to the expense it has cost or will and some one with that attitude to our system should not be allowed to raise these children. I shutter at what kind of influence she will have on them. Wake up she is not Angelie Jolie nor does she have the means to take care of that many children. Abuse of this kind of our welfare system is Why the USA is in the mess we are in. The welfare system was to designed to take care of the poor and elderly not this kind of crap.

Anonymous said...

Nayda Suleman should have ALL of her children taken away from her. Raising them on student loans? Are you serious? Those 14 children deserve a good life...but not with her. She should be sent to a Psychiatric hospital FOR LIFE AND STERILIZED!

Anonymous said...

Crazy doctor must take responsibility to pay child support as father, California official must sue that crazy doctor for starting problem.

Anonymous said...

Disgusting, The DR. should be held accoutable...the state should take the Dr. to court thereby rec reimbursemnt for taxpayers money.

Anonymous said...

SIGN HER UP ON THE BAIL OUT FUNDS...WE HAVE TO PAY THAT ANYWAYS...ONE BAIL-OUT AT A TIME PLEASE....

Anonymous said...

They send people to jail for having 14 cats or dogs...14 kids is outrageous

Anonymous said...

This woman has to off her rocker. To bring 8 more children into this world and cannot even take care of the 6 she already has is totally irresponsible. She is not even thinking about the welfare of her own children. All she thinks of is herself simply because she wanted to have more children. Those babies and the rest of her children should be adopted out family's who have the means to love and support them and provide for them a better life.

Anonymous said...

She should be spayed. All her children should be taken from her. The doctor who performed this procedure should be banned from any medical practice.

Anonymous said...

Something is obviously very "off" with this women. I couldn't imagine having six children, three whom have disabilities, being single, going to school and thinking it smart to be implanted with 6 embryos. Moreover, how did she pay for the in-vitro? As one of so many who are going through infertility treatments, I'm trying to figure out how to get a school loan to pay for IVF for me (sarcasm)!

I think everyone agrees that the babies are not to be blamed, but I do think there is something terribly wrong with the doctor who thought it was okay to implant a single, unemployed woman with 6 children, with six embryos.

Anonymous said...

So what even if she has one hundred kid, let the goverment pay for it, they are after all American Kids. The U.S is paying millions upon millions for Israel & Eygpet every year, I don't see anyone complaining about that,how many dictator are on the State department pay role? No complain there iether, but the Octuplets,Oh no not my money. you people are Hipocrate & Evil,in your twist minds paying tax to kill is Ok & noble, Tax to pay for American kids, Nop that an Evil cause, some kida moral this country has.

Anonymous said...

I figured Nadya out. She did this to punish her parents for making her an only child. She lives with them, doesn't pay them anything. The grandparents have to babysit the kids, etc. Nadya need a psychiatrist. She needed one before she had her first child.Then this all would have been explained and these babies wouldn't have to suffer.

Anonymous said...

Everyone here makes very good points..but I wish we could tone down on the politics in this discussion. I don't think any rational person believes that "unnatural" births such as these are some kind of miracle. Yes they survived, but it wasn't like they zygote kept spliting. This was artifical, thus not subject to the pro-life pro-choice bs. I wish also, we stop assuming the doctor was a male...and stop trying to castigate men and the "sperm donor". The mother said herself that he wanted to marry her, but she refused and wanted this "fame" basically for herself. It's obvious, she's had work done, so she might have wanted to be a starlet, but couldn't, so this is her way to fame. She's unstable, sociopathic and delusional, which in turn would lead to her passing on those personality flaws to her children, that will tear each other apart, or ban together against her that will destroy their sense of family and home. I've seen it happen. I agree that DFS should immediately get involved. She just wants celebrity, and allowing this will just invite others to try the same. I feel sorry for the CA taxpayers and people who use their student loans for actuall schooling, than to milk the system for selfish means. This is not a race thing, a left-right thing, or any of that. It's about responsibility for you life and it's actions. She's not even guaranteed to have a job after she "finishes" like so many of us, unless it's charity and she skips way in line, for there's no way she's going to be as talented with so many distractions. Sorry for all the space taken....good luck to us all.

Anonymous said...

I love that she set up a website for donations - much easier than getting a real job, don't you think? Is income from website donations taxable or will she be able to raise her kids free and clear from the goodness of other peoples hearts? Boy, for anyone out there having a rough time trying to find a job in this economy....if that isn't the ultimate work out of your home job..give a few interviews and stay home and wait for the $ to roll in....the ultimate American dream.

Anonymous said...

Simple solution:
Let her get whatever book / movie agreement she can, but have the government extract ALL back taxes & medical bills she owes before she receives a penny. Then deport her to Iraq with her father & cut off ALL payments our ignorant government is paying this parasite. If you can't afford to pay for children, then you shouldn't be rewarded with taxpayer supported funds, but the moronic liberals that back such measures haven't been forced to realize that those measures they forged then will cost them their own retirement security. Irony at it's finest. I say until the social security system changes, that those receiving payments not be allowed to reproduce, thus drawing even more in payments. Those that do should have ALL funding cut off for life.

Anonymous said...

While the least amount of government intervention is always the most attractive it doesn't play out that way in life as those of us who pay taxes know. This foolish woman and her irresponsible doctor have created a financial and emotional debaucle. Instead of just blogging why not demand the government take hold of the stupid doctor and make him/her pay? Do we want the government to be in charge of birth control? I think not but the American Medical Association and the California elected officials out to get some retribution from the knucklehead doctor and have that clinic and the doc pony up some dinero! Who is that Sillywoman (Suleman) kidding but herself. How very sad for all of her children and for the rest of us too. Love is great but it won't cover the mortgage and pay the bills.

Anonymous said...

She has/had no business bringing more children into this world when she can not support herself or her 6 children without financial aid (government support). ALL of the children (all 14) should be taken away from her and given to families who can financially take care of them without the use of the taxpayers money. Why should I support her children through my taxes. In addition, she is using financial aid that is to be used for education to support her family; are you kidding me? Financial aid is to be used to help students earn an education and NOT to support 6 children.

Maybe the doctor, who inseminated, her should take financial responsibility for all of her children as he's as much to blame as she is.

Anonymous said...

I think the doctor should be made to pay for the chilren's needs, including schooling, medical, food, etc., maybe then he won't be so quick to convince an unstable woman to have more children. If doctor's are held accountable maybe then we would get to control them a little.

Anonymous said...

Of course she can have all the kids she wants, but keep her away from the Dr. that puts the embryos up her twat with a turkey baster. That was seriously irresponsible, and the Dr. should have his license pulled. The fact is the kids are here, so lets make sure they are taken care of. But if we the taxpayers are paying for her children, can we throw in a tubal ligation as well? Now that, I'd be willing to pay for.

Anonymous said...

Everyone keeps saying that you have to take care of the kids - is throwing cash and prizes at her taking care of those kids? NO!! - that is just fiscal responsibility. The fact that she is incapable of taking care of them physically and emotionally is so obvious. That would just be setting 14 more people to remain in the system for the rest of their lives. The only fair thing to do for those poor children is to adopt them out to families that are prepared to support them financially, physically and emotionally. That would at least be damage control for what she has abused the system for up until now and give the kids a chance at being part of normal families.

Anonymous said...

I am excited for this mother and I pray that she can keep her children. I would be heart broken if my children were taken from me just because of others comments and feelings. As far as having to pay taxes for her- well I'd rather do that than pay for all the illegal persons her in the U.S. and all the unnecessary spending that the government is doing! Yes, mothering isn't the easiest job in the world, with or without a spouse, but it is one of the most rewarding job there is. I wish her the best! And if she didnt have her priorities were they should have been, hopefully now she will.
I feel that all those people that are critisizing her need to get a job themselves and find something more productive to do! Stop being so negative!!! Cast your stones only if you are perfect!!! Positive roll models and comments and help is what she needs!!

kate said...

THIS NEEDS TO BE HANDLED REAL QUICK !! ADOPTION FOR AT LEAST HALF HER CHILDREN SO MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE A FIGHTING CHANCE IN THIS WORLD . OR FIND THE DOCTOR WHO WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO DO THIS AND MAKE HIM PAY FOR HIS MISTAKE !! CHILDSUPPORT !! ABOUT 600.00 PER MONTH PER CHILD , TO BE PUT INTO AN ACCT. WHERE A THIRD PARTY OVERSEES HOW THE MONEY IS SPENT . THIS WOMAN IS A LEACH ON SOCIETY AND SHOULD BE STOPPED AND PUT ON TRIAL FOR FRAUD CHARGES !! SHE IS IN NEED OF SOME SERIOUS MENTAL HELP , SO EVERYONE KNOWS THAT SHE WILL

Anonymous said...

This should be a wake up call to all hard working tax paying Americans. Where else can an unemployeed unwed mother of 6 children have 8 more children and let the tax payers of CA pay for it. Why not have all tax payers quit work and find out who will be left to pay for all the FREE services this NATION. The bad thing is, the only persons that are going to suffer from this lady are the children. There isn't a woman on the face of this EARTH that can raise 14 children at one time under the age of 7, by herself.

This nation needs to wake up!

Anonymous said...

The doctor should get investigated and punished for his decision to implant those babies! I don't want the babies to get hurt or suffer for Suleman's mistake, but I hope she doesn't make millions off her website scam. Anyone dumb enough to give her money is as crazy as she is!! Instead we should offer "help" with and for the babies in a way she can't benefit from it - and profit. Lord only knows where she is going to spend the money or IF she will even spend it on them and not herself!!!!

Anonymous said...

Why not require the doctor who allowed this situation pay for the hospital cost and care of these children until they're grown. He is in my opinion their dad. He may not have donated the sperm, but he caused the pregency as sure as if he had picked her up in a bar. He probly should be held more responsible. It wasn't an accident as in many casual sex prenanacys. If a woman in a bar agrees to sex the man is still liable last I heard. This woman is apparently very simple minded but I don't believe that that takes responsibility off the doctor.
There is no way one woman can take care of 14 children. Only a bus could even take them to the doctor, and then who would watch the other 13? Leaving 14 children with this woman is child abuse!!!

Colorado native said...

So Now that everyone puts there 2 cents in.

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vs...

3,700 hundred abortions done a day
paid by taxpayers....yes... you taxpayer you pay for abortions
Really take a look and really visit your billion dollars killer planparent center or what ever sweet name they call babie blood taxpayer money...

So some one really wants children and people really look at
planparenthood who uses your United States of Americans to pay to have babies kill at plan parent hood So quit crying about this woman and help her...don't critize her when you yes you out there cry out for the unborn babies that can't cry out for help...

and what about when one women who has 14 abortions and no one to tell her she is Loved!!!

Gloria in Evans, Colorado

Anonymous said...

Gloria in Evans, Colorado
Native

excuse me correction:

www.personhood.net
www.focusonthefamily.org

citzenlink.org
google: Brightte Gabriel

Anonymous said...

Gloria

All of it's fine and good to throw out santimony to cover for her obvious mental issues and star chasing (she's reconstructed her face to look like Angelina Jolie's for starters), but what really steals all of the love and crediblity anyone with sense would give her is the fact that the people she's swindled to take care of her children, mother being for one, has not received ONE penny from her. In fact, this woman is so "entitled" that she never even told her mother and babysitter (same person) that she received that worker's compensation money. She's been living off her butt for years, making her mom foot the bill. This is a woman who has never grew up, despite having the advantage of not having to compete with siblings, and being spoiled by her parents, even to this day. Now unless you can condone or defend this, I wish you would stop throwing the pro life stuff into this. This woman is a parasite period, she just found a bigger host, AMERICA.

Gloria in Evans Colorado said...

Remember
and check your planparent centers
who do abortions on you taxpayer blood money so there is where your real dime goes joewxman and all you no namers

Gloria in Evans, Colorado Native said...

God will take care of that...
I love her just as I love you and all you no namers...

Anonymous said...

Take away the free money and lets see how fast she is willing to give these children up for adoption, after all, at this point is it not about the children? I know there are alot of people out there that would love to raise these kids and give them the wonderfull life they deserve, I know I was raised in a large family on welfare. not that great of a life. If she spends 1 hr on average per day with each child that would be 14 hours. not enough hours in the day.

Anonymous said...

The gravy train must be rolling already - they've said on other internet sites that she was seen getting a manicure and shopping for video games - way to prioritize what is a necessity in life - do you wonder who is visiting her babies in the hospital while she is at the nail salon? Way to go, octomom - way to show what your real priorities in life are. Who was watching the other 6 - must have been grandma!

Anonymous said...

To Gloria:

I would rather have had my taxpayer dollars going to Planned Parenthood for 14 abortions in this case instead of 18 years of welfare for each of these 14 kids that are going to have a lousy life with a lousy mother.

Anonymous said...

This Lady is obviously crazy. Those kids should all be separated via closed adoptions and hope to hell that they never find out who their real mother is. It is people like this that drive me crazy. How one person can be so stupid is beyond me. When i first heard this story i just stood in front of the tv going "jesus christ", And honestly i was just speachless at this womans stupidity. I could go ON and ON about how crazy this lady is but i have other things to deal with. like looking at my paycheck this week at how much the government took from me to pay for idiots like this...
god bless America

Anonymous said...

I think everyone is really missing the point here. I mean yes the contravercy over the conception of these children would make any sane person feel enraged. The fact that a single unemployed women used government money on a fertility treatment when she already had far more children than she could support sure makes me peaved...

But what about the kids? She lives in a three bedroom house with her parents. Where is she even going to put eight cribs? And how is she going to take care of eight premature new borns and six other children; three who have special needs. I mean things might be fine and dandy now while they're still in the hospital, but what happens when they come home?

She needs to be investigated for child abuse and neglect. And have her mental stability checked.

I mean you can not support fourteen children on 3,000 dollars a month. Whether someone else is fliping the bill or not. We need to worry about these kids well being.

Anonymous said...

This is some kind of bull the only families that can stand to have this many children have them one or two at a time and the older one end up raising the youner ones these poor kids are doomed if left in this woman's hands.

Tarzan said...

Well then, someone should take steps to ensure that stupid people don't BREED!! Yeah, these kids didn't ask to be born, but I didn't volunteer to raise them either!! And I don't believe that responsibility should be forced on me as a taxpayer either!! I raised 5 childern of my own! I had the good sense to stop at a number I could support without help or having my children do without! I say, you wanted then girl, now get off yer butt & get 2 jobs to support them! The sitter willhave to raise them for you!

Tarzan said...

What ABOUT the kids? if we don't start makin' these "baby factories" start carrying their own weight we'll NEVER stop this! And I'm not just talking about this multiple birth either! That goes for every woman who has children just to bilk the system!! Neuter them!!

Anonymous said...

Just to be clear...

I don't believe in abortion.(You should have been more careful.)

I don't believe in fertility treatments.(Do you have any idea how many children out there need a good home?)

I don't like were any of my tax dollars go.(but I really don't have much say I'm only one person.)

And I certainly don't blame the doctor for doing his job as the law entailed him.(The man was just doing his job he had no idea this would happen.)

I blame lazy, uninterested americans for not being more involved in the government of their own country. If we where all a little more involved we would realize how screwed up the majority of our laws are and the rediculous places are tax dollars go and start take steps to change it.

Then situations like this one would never occur.

kittiefish said...

Response to anonymous (Feb. 16 @ 1:58AM)....though I do agree with a few of your comments, I think you are a bit mistaken about some things. For example, my father (who suffers from the same disease as you) has much more of an income on disability apparently than you do. He began down that road in his 30's and now is in his 60's.

Now, if you are bitter because others are getting more than you, then you should check your state and bark up that tree instead. Find out why and make some waves there. Use you time and energy a lot more efficiently.

Anonymous said...

well Tarzan...

I think you would change your tune if one of you children or grandchildren where in need. I bet you would be out there on the street begging stangers for help if it came down to it. Don't act so high and mighty we all need help from time to time...the point is we should not let innocient children suffer because of this woman's bad choices.

Anonymous said...

Tarzan...

What your talking bout is a communist country. So if that how you feel move to China...

Anonymous said...

Which women with 6 children already, 3 with disability, unemployed, single would go for more babies???? Isn't that enough? Doesn't she have enough work with the babies and things to worry? SHE IS CRAZYYYYYYYYYYYY. SHE DID NOT CARE TO SAVE THE MONEY FOR HER CHILDREN, NO NO NO, She went ahead and paid the clinic for more babies.

Tarzan said...

"So what even if she has one hundred kid, let the goverment pay for it, they are after all American Kids. The U.S is paying millions upon millions for Israel & Eygpet every year, I don't see anyone complaining about that,how many dictator are on the State department pay role? No complain there iether, but the Octuplets,Oh no not my money. you people are Hipocrate & Evil,in your twist minds paying tax to kill is Ok & noble, Tax to pay for American kids, Nop that an Evil cause, some kida moral this country has."
You think we aren't concerned with these things too? Well you're wrong!! But we've had to deal with this all along! Now we have to deal with THIS as well!! And it's too easy to blame your parents for being messed up! It's much more difficult to accept responsibility for yourself!!

Anonymous said...

perhaps she and her kisd too should go back to Iraq!! Let's see how she will survive over there with 14 children. Can you imagine....Why do our countries allow these psychos to migrate over here??!!??!! I am from Canada....Welfare is too easily obtained here as well.

Tarzan said...

MY daughters don't go looking for handouts to raise my grandchildren!They were taught resposibility! They aren't a burden on the welfare system! This woman and others do this just so they don't have to work!! That's just wrong!! Loving children has nothing to do with this woman's bad judgement! We can't keep supporting this! If we do, it won't be a communist country, it will be sodialist! The government supporting ALL of us!!

Tarzan said...

One more thing, do you believe it's right to take from your OWN children & grandchildren to give to a stranger for their children? Because, in effect, that's exactly what we're doing by supporting women who do this. And as for the doctor, it was her decision to do this. If this doctor wouldn't have, she'd have just found another one who would.We all know that!

Anonymous said...

My mother had two children, me and my younger brother. My younger brother is servery disabled both physically and mentally. My father was unemployed and uninterested in being a father so basically my mother raised everyone on her salary alone. Between, my brothers medical costs for theapists, doctors, specialist, and basic general care, there is no way in hell she could have afford nail salons, or to have her hair done in some fancy place. It was only at Christmas time when I got a new piece of clothing. I had hand me down til I was working on my own. Somehow, my mother made it on her own without welfare and without help from the state or the Govt. As a mother now, with a child who is learning disabled, I can tell you it sucks big times. I am very lucky in the fact that my husband is employed full time allowing me to stay home and help my kid. I do not receive funding of any kind. Keeping my kid in school and on grade level has taken just about everything I have in me. Trust me, there is no way in hell that this woman is going to be able to give those babies the quality of life they deserve, be it emotionally, physically, or monetarily. There is something wrong with the medical system when a woman who is clearly disturbed can be implanted with more babies when she cant take care of the ones she already has. Yes, I do blame the doctor. He or she should have used better judgment and refused to do the treatment. It is my wish that those babies are taken away, and placed in homes where the parents will give them the love and quality of life that each of them deserves.

Anonymous said...

Tarzan...

So what you saying is that children or people ingeneral are only as good as there parents and that these children deserve less because of the terms of there birth? I'm just trying to get this straight... so do you believe that if two families have children with a termanal illness and only one of them can afford the treatments for it that the child whoes family can not afford the treatments be left to die? What ever the reasons maybe for lack of funds?

It is our duty as decent people to help others who need it even if sometimes people take advatage of the system and we can not just condemn these children because of there parents. And I would gladly give whatever I could to help someone, even if it left a little less for me and my children. We all have a little to give. What so I can't buy them as many toys?Maybe if people willing gave more people would take less.Greed, anger,and jealousy are the only things holding us back from making this a better world for everyone. But greed breeds greed, so there you go.

LandofFruits@Nuts said...

Suleman needs psychiatric help, the sooner the better.

The parents need to insist Nadya move out and take on adult responsibilities, like paying rent food, gas, insurance.

The babies did not ask to be born under these circumstances. WE as a responsible society need to make sure they are taken care of.

hild Protective Services needs to take a hard look at the family , and the conditions these children are living under.

The mother is quite obviously not of sane mind. The children are quite plainly not being adequately supervised. They're emotional, mental and academics needs are not being met. And I am just talking about the six children she already has.

The eight additional children don't have a chance, unless each one of them can be placed with a responsible, financially mature, caring and loving family.

Suleman is fulfilling her selfish needs through these children. We are better than this and need to step in and right a wrong.

Anonymous said...

I disagree with joewxman; that the Dr. who did this should be barred from practicing medicine. She should have to keep working until she has paid for this stupidity or she could just do a pro-bono for her services. Just about all Dr.s or medical facilities have a statement in their offices that states, "Payment due at time of services". She had to have known that this woman had no job or financial way of paying for this and now the tax payers are expected to put out the cash for her error. Medicaid don't do in vitro!!! She knew exactly what she was doing when she implanted those eggs. Let it be on her head.
And shame on you Miss Suleman. But then maybe you just thought that all the people losing their homes and jobs would just love shelling out what little they have at a time when the whold country is broke. By the way...for a woman that is broke, you sure do have a nice set of nails. But if I'm in error and someone did that for you, you should have said no thank you, I'd rather have the cash for my babies, please.

Tarz said...

I hold no ill will for the children. I wish the children the very best! But you're comparing apples to oranges. An ill child is a far cry from someone who gave birth to 8 babies KNOWING she couldn't support them! I do hope these children survive and prosper! But by someone who will be there for the children!

Anonymous said...

Sometimes, I wonder why I bother fighting so hard for the little guy. Whats the point if they are too stupid to listen? Say that reminds me.

Amazing. The worst economic and cultural crisis of all time will go down in history horribly misunderstood. What a pathetic bunch of ignorant fools we have become. Consumer junkie credit card morons. Perfect little victims.

Don’t believe one optimistic word from any public figure about the economy or humanity in general. They are all part of the problem. Its like a game of Monopoly. In America, the richest 1% now hold ALMOST 1/2 OF ALL UNITED STATES WEALTH. Unlike ‘lesser’ estimates calculated and spun low by our sold-out government and the greedy pigs they cater to, this includes all stocks, bonds, cash, offshore accounts, and material assets held by America’s richest 1%. Even that filthy pig Oprah Winfrey acknowledged that it was near 50% in 2006. Naturally, she put her own ‘humanitarian’ spin on it. Calling attention to her own ‘good will’. WHAT A DISGUSTING SELF-CENTERED SELF-PROMOTING HYPOCRITE SLOB. THE RICHEST ONE PERCENT HAVE LITERALLY MADE WORLD PROSPERITY ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. Don’t fall for any of their 'good will' ‘humanitarian’ CRAP. ITS A SHAM. THESE PEOPLE ARE CAUSING THE SAME PROBLEMS THEY PRETEND TO CARE ABOUT. THE EQUATION THEY STAND FOR ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT WORK. Ask any professor of economics. Money does not grow on trees. The government can’t just print up more on a whim. There are serious concequences for doing so. Regardless, there is always a relative limit to the wealth within ANY economy of ANY size. So when too much wealth accumulates at the top, the currency looses value, the middle class slip further into debt, and the lower class further into poverty. A similar rule applies worldwide. The world’s richest 1% now own over 40% of ALL WORLD WEALTH. This is EVEN AFTER you account for all of this ‘good will’ ‘humanitarian’ BS from celebrities and executives. ITS A SHAM. As they get richer and richer, less wealth is left circulating beneath them. This is the single greatest underlying cause for the current US recession. The middle class can no longer pay the bills or afford to sustain their share of the economy. Their wealth has been gradually transfered to the richest 1%. One way or another, we suffer because of their incredible greed. We are talking about TRILLIONS of dollars which have been transfered FROM US TO THEM. All over a period of about 27 years. Thats Reaganomics for you. The wealth does not ‘trickle down’ as we were told it would. It just accumulates at the top. Shrinking the middle class and expanding the lower class. Causing a domino effect of socio-economic problems. But the rich will never stop. They just keep getting richer. Leaving even less of the pie for the other 99% of us to share. At the same time, they throw back a few tax deductible crumbs and call themselves ‘humanitarians’. Cashing in on the PR and getting even richer the following year. IT CAN’T WORK THIS WAY. Their bogus efforts to make the world a better place can not possibly succeed. Any ‘humanitarian’ progress made in one area will be lost in another. EVERY SINGLE TIME. IT ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT WORK THIS WAY. This is going to end very much like a giant game of Monopoly. The current US recession will drag on for years and lead into the worst US depression of all time. The richest 1% will live like royalty while the rest of us fight over jobs, food, and gasoline. So don’t fall for any of this 'good will' 'humanitarian' BS from Hollywood, Pro Sports, and Wall Street PIGS. ITS A SHAM. Remember: They are filthy rich EVEN AFTER their tax deductible contributions. They get richer as we speak. They absolutely will not stop. Greedy pigs. Now, we are headed for the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time. Crime, poverty, and suicide will skyrocket. SEND A “THANK YOU” NOTE TO YOUR FAVORITE MILLIONAIRE. ITS THEIR FAULT. I’m not discounting other factors like China, sub-prime, or gas prices. But all of those factors combined still pale in comparison to that HUGE transfer of wealth from poor to rich. Anyway, those other factors are related and further aggrivated because of GREED. If it weren’t for the OBSCENE distribution of bottom line wealth within our country, there never would have been such a market for sub-prime to begin with. IF IT WEREN’T FOR THE OBSCENE, UNREASONABLE, ILLOGICAL, AND IMMORAL DISTRIBUTION OF UNITED STATES WEALTH, THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SUCH A MARKET FOR SUB-PRIME AND THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A COLLAPSE IN THE HOUSING MARKET. Sub-prime did not cause the problem. It only accelerated the outcome. Make no mistake. The housing market would have failed by now with or without sub-prime. Which by the way, was another trick whipped up by greedy bankers and executives. IT MADE THEM RICHER. Along with many investors, developers, and public figures. Including three of the most greedy, disgusting, hypocrite pigs that have ever lived. The credit industry has been ENDORSED for years by Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, and Dr Phil. In fact, they specifically endorsed Countrywide by name. IT MADE THEM RICHER. In order to fully appreciate this, you must realize what a rotten trick Countrywide had up their sleeve to begin with. How it was ENDORSED by OPRAH WINFREY, ELLEN DEGENERES, AND DR PHIL. How incredibly irresponsible they were. How they decieved and betrayed their own loyal fans. How they were PAID FOR IT. How they contributed to the artificial rise and accelerated fall of the US housing market. Not only by concentrating so much wealth. But also by endorsing sub-prime. How many middle class dreams were shattered because of their GREED. Don't believe what you've heard from them or any other filthy rich public figure. THEY ARE LIARS. It wasn't just about irresponsible lending, borrowing, local banker bonuses, or weak oversight. It was actually much more cruel and calculated. Orchestrated from the top down. 'Predatory lending' is just that. Their plan was to give easy credit to millions while the housing market was still high, inflate the market even higher in the process, reap two or three years of payments from unsuspecting middle class buyers, allow them to accumulate little or no equity, lie in wait as those homes increased in value, then jack up their rates making it near impossible for those middle class buyers to make the payments on time. At which time, those middle class buyers would be evicted, their dreams shattered, and their homes forfeited. Which by then, until late '07', would be even higher in value and re-sold for a higher price. The plan was to be executed primarily while the market was strong. Leaving all those previous buyers with NOTHING to show for all those payments made. This incredibly cruel and calculated plan was orchestrated in part by Countrywide. THE SAME COUNTRYWIDE ENDORSED BY OPRAH WINFREY, ELLEN DEGENERES, AND DR PHIL. IT MADE THEM RICHER. It also made many of their loyal fans homeless. What a rotten, disgusting trio of hypocrite pigs. What a rotten, disgusting, immoral way to turn a quick buck. To make as many people as possible love you. Then tell those people to run out and buy a product or service because you say so. Because you were PAID to endorse it. Without the slightest regard for anything but your own bottom line. Thats why they did it. GREED. Now, there are similar ties between every major industry, every Fortune 500 company, and nearly every public figure. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. It also drives up the cost for nearly every product and service on the market. So don’t fall for their ‘good will’ 'humanitarian' BS. ITS A LIE. If you fall for it, then you’re a fool. If you see any real difference between the moral character of a celebrity, politician, attorney, or executive, then you’re a fool. No offense fellow citizens. But we have been mislead by nearly every public figure. We still are. Even now, they claim to be ‘hurting’ right along with the rest of us. As if gas prices actually effect the lifestyle of a millionaire. ITS A LIE. IN 2007, THE RICHEST 1% INCREASED THEIR AVERAGE BOTTOM LINE WEALTH AGAIN. On average, they are now worth over $4,000,000 each. Thats an all time high. As a group, they are now worth well over $17,000,000,000,000. THATS WELL OVER SEVENTEEN TRILLION DOLLARS. Another all time high. Which by the way, is much more than the entire middle and lower classes combined. Also more than enough to pay off our national debt, fund the Iraq war for a decade, repair our infrastructure, and bail out the US housing market. Still think that our biggest problem is China? Think again. Its the one percent club. That means every big name celebrity, athlete, executive, entrepreneur, developer, banker, and lottery winner. Along with many attorneys, doctors, and politicians. If they are rich, then they are part of the problem. Their incredible wealth was not ‘created’, ‘generated’, grown in their back yard, or printed up on their command. It was transfered FROM US TO THEM. Directly and indirectly. Its become near impossible to spend a dollar without making some greedy pig even richer. Don’t be fooled by the fall of the stock market or the occasional loss of a millionaire’s fortune. Overall, they just keep getting richer. They absolutely will not stop. Still, they have the nerve to pretend as if they care about ordinary people. ITS A LIE. NOTHING BUT CALCULATED PR CRAP. WAKE UP PEOPLE. THEIR PRIMARY GOAL IS TO WIN THE GAME. The one percent club will always say or do whatever it takes to get as rich as possible. Without the slightest regard for anything or anyone but themselves. Reaganomics. Their idea. Loans from China. Their idea. NAFTA. Their idea. Outsourcing. Their idea. Downsizing. Their idea. Sub-prime. Their idea. High energy prices. Their idea. Oil ‘futures’. Their idea. The commercial lobbyist. Their idea. The multi-million dollar lawsuit. Their idea. The multi-million dollar endorsement deal. Their idea. $400 cell phones. Their idea. $200 cell phone bills. Their idea. $200 basketball shoes. Their idea. $30 late fees. Their idea. $30 NSF fees. Their idea. $20 DVDs. Their idea. $50 event tickets. Their idea. $30 books. Their idea. $400 PC operating systems. Their idea. $60 video games. Their idea. Obscene health care charges. Their idea. Subliminal advertising. Their idea. Brainwash plots on TV. Their idea. Vioxx, and Celebrex. Their idea. Excessive medical testing. Their idea. The MASSIVE campaign to turn every American into a brainwashed, credit card, pharmaceutical, medical testing, love-sick, celebrity junkie. Their idea. IT WAS ALL THEIR IDEA. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. All of the above drive up the cost of living, shrink the middle class, concentrate the world’s wealth and resources, create a domino effect of socio-economic problems, and wreak havok on society. All of which have been CREATED AND ENDORSED by celebrities, athletes, executives, investors, developers, entrepreneurs, attorneys, and politicians. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. So don’t fall for any of their ‘good will’ ‘humanitarian’ BS. ITS A SHAM. NOTHING BUT TAX DEDUCTIBLE PR CRAP. In many cases, the ‘charitable’ contribution is almost entirely offset. Not to mention the opportunity to plug their name, image, product, and ‘good will’ all at once. Which is usually done just before or after the release of their latest commercial project. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. These greedy pigs even have the nerve to throw a fit and spin up a misleading defense with regard to ‘federal tax revenue’. ITS A SHAM. THEY SCREWED UP THE EQUATION TO BEGIN WITH. If the middle and lower classes had a greater share of the economic pie, they could easily cover a greater share of the federal tax revenue. They are held down in many ways because of greed. Wages remain stagnant for the vast majority because the executives, investors, developers, celebrities, athletes, attorneys, politicians, and entrepreneurs, are paid millions. They over-sell, over-charge, under-pay, outsource, lobby, re-locate, cut jobs, and cut benefits to increase their bottom line. Even after you account for the fall of the market, they still keep getting richer on average. Simply because their wealth is drawn from the majority. As more United States wealth rises to the top, the middle and lower classes inevitably suffer. This reduces the potential tax reveue drawn from those brackets. At the same time, it wreaks havok on middle and lower class communities and increases the need for financial aid. Not to mention the spike in crime because of it. There is a domino effect to consider. IT CAN’T WORK THIS WAY. But our leaders refuse to acknowledge this. Instead they come up with one trick after another to milk the system and screw the majority. These decisions are heavily influensed by the 1% club. Every year, billions of federal tax dollars are diverted behind the scenes back to the rich and their respective industries. Loans from China have been necessary to compensate in part, for the red ink and the multi-trillion dollar transfer of wealth from poor to rich. At the same time, the feds have been pushing more financial burden onto the states who push them lower onto the cities. Again, the hardship is felt more by the majority and less by the 1% club. The rich prefer to live in exclusive areas or upper class communities. They get the best of everything. Reliable city services, new schools, freshly paved roads, new lighting, sidewalks, upscale parks, ect. The middle and lower class communities get little or nothing without a raise in basic service charges or a local tax increase. Which, they usually can’t afford. So the red ink flows followed by service cuts and lay-offs. All because of the OBSCENE distribution of bottom line wealth in this country. Anyway, when you account for all federal, state, and local taxes, the middle class actually pay about the same rate as the rich. The devil is in the details. So when people forgive the rich for their incredible greed and then praise them for paying a greater share of the FEDERAL income taxes, its like nails on a chalk board. I can not accept any theory that our economy would suffer in any way with a more reasonable distribution of bottom line wealth. Afterall, it was more reasonable 30 years ago. Before Reaganomics came along. Before GREED became such an epidemic. Before we had an army of over-paid executives, investors, celebrities, athletes, attorneys, doctors, entrepreneurs, developers, and sold-out politicians to kiss their greedy asses. As a nation, we were in much better shape. Strong middle class, free and clear assets, home equity, savings, widespread prosperity, stable job market, lower deficit, ect. Our economy as a whole was much more stable and prosperous for the majority. WITHOUT LOANS FROM CHINA. Now, we have a more obscene distribution of bottom line wealth and resources than ever before. We have a sold-out government, crumbling infrastructure, energy crisis, home forclosure epidemic, credit crunch, weak middle class, weak US dollar, 13 figure national debt, and 12 figure annual shortfall. The cost of living is higher than ever before. Most people can’t even afford basic health care. ALL BECAUSE OF GREED. I really don’t blame the upper class in general. At least not as a group and not without exception. No economy could ever function without some reasonable scale of income and wealth. But it can’t be allowed to run wild like a mad dog. ALBERT EINSTEIN TRIED TO MAKE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. UNBRIDLED CAPITALISM ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT WORK. TOP HEAVY ECONOMIES CAN NOT BE SUSTAINED. THEY ALWAYS COLLAPSE. Bottom line: The richest 1% will soon tank the largest economy in the world. It will be like nothing we’ve ever seen before. The American dream will be shattered. and thats just the beginning. Greed will eventually tank every major economy in the world. Causing millions to suffer and die. Oprah, Angelina, Brad, Bono, and Bill are not part of the solution. They are part of the problem. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MULTI-MILLIONAIRE HUMANITARIAN. EXTREME WEALTH MAKES WORLD PROSPERITY ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. WITHOUT WORLD PROSPERITY, THERE WILL NEVER BE WORLD PEACE OR ANYTHING EVEN CLOSE. GREED KILLS. IT WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL. Of course, the rich will throw a fit and call me a madman. Of course, they will jump to small minded conclusions about ‘jealousy’, ‘envy’, or ’socialism’. Of course, their ignorant fans will do the same. You have to expect that. But I speak the truth. If you don’t believe me, then copy this entry and run it by any professor of economics or socio-economics. Then tell a friend. Call the local radio station. Re-post this entry or put it in your own words. Be one of the first to predict the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time and explain its underlying cause. WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE.

So what can we do about it? Well, not much. Unfortunately, we are stuck on a runaway train. The problem has gone unchecked for too many years. The US/global depression is comming thanks to the 1% club. It would take a massive effort by the vast majority to prevent it. Along with a voluntary sacrifice by the rich. THATS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. But if you believe in miracles, then spend your money as wisely as possible. Especially in middle and lower class communities. Check the Fortune 500 list and limit your support of high profit/low labor industries (Hollywood, pro sports, energy, credit, pharmaceutical, cable, satelite, internet advertising, video, and music, cell phone, high fashion, jewelry, ect.). Cancel all but one credit card for emergencies only. Call the provider and demand a lower rate. Be persistent. You may get it. If you need a cell phone, then do your homework and find the best deal on a local pre-pay. If you want home internet access, then use the least expensive provider, and share accounts whenever possible. If you need to search, then use the less popular search engines. They usually produce the same results anyway. Don’t click on any internet ad. If you need the product or service, then look up the phone number or address and contact that business directly. Don’t pay to see any blockbuster movie. Instead, wait a few months and rent the DVD from a local store or buy it USED. Then loan it to a friend or family member. If you prefer the outing, then choose a film produced by the lesser known studeos with lower paid actors. If you want to see a big name game or event, then watch it in a local bar, club, or at home on network TV. Don’t buy any high end official merchandise and don’t support the high end sponsors. If its endorsed by a big name celebrity, then don’t buy it. If you can afford a new car, then make an exception for GM, Ford, and Dodge. If they don’t increase their market share soon, then a lot more people are going to get screwed out of their pensions and/or benefits. Of course, you must know by now to avoid those big trucks and SUVs unless you truly need one for its utility. Don’t be ashamed to buy a foreign car if you prefer it. Afterall, those with the most fuel efficient vehicles consume a lot less foreign oil. Which accounts for a pretty big chunk of our trade deficit. Anyway, the global economy is worth supporting to some extent. Its the obscene profit margins, trade deficits, and BS from OPEC that get us into trouble. Otherwise, the global economy would be a good thing for everyone. Just keep in mind that the big 3 are struggling and they do produce a few smaller reliable cars. Don’t frequent any high end department store or any business in a newly developed center or upper class community. By doing so, you make developers richer and draw support away from industrial areas and away from the middle and lower class communities. Instead, support the local retailer and the less popular shopping centers. Especially in lower or middle class communities. If you can afford to buy a home, then do so. But go smaller and less expensive. Don’t get yourself in too deep and don’t buy into the newly developed condos or gated communities. Instead, find a modest home in a building or neighborhood at least 20 years old. If you live in one of the poorer states, then try to support its economy first and foremost. Be on the lookout for commercial brainwash plots on TV. They are written into nearly every scene of nearly every show. Most cater to network sponsors and parent companies. Especially commercial health care. In particular, high profit pharmaceuticals and excessive medical testing. DON'T FALL FOR IT. Get off the couch and take care of your body the way nature intended. There is no substitute. If you must see a doctor, then DEMAND that he/she give you more than 5 minutes of their undivided attention. Otherwise, dispute their unreasonable charges. Be prepared with written questions about your condition and get them answered one at a time. If they refuse, then dispute their unreasonable charges. If they prescribe excessive medical testing and find nothing new or signifigant, then dispute their unreasonable charges. If they prescribe a pharmaceutical, then ask for a generic. Better yet, concider a change in lifestyle or simple tolerance. If they still recommend the name brand pharmaceutical, then ask about any financial ties or conflict of interest. If they get offended, then dispute their unreasonable charges and consider a new doctor. If you must drug away your sniffles, aches, and pains, then at least do your homework. Be aware of the possible side-effects ahead of time. Don't be surprised to find yourself back a week or two later feeling worse. In which case, you should dispute their unreasonable charges. If you are diagnosed with another medical condition, then ask your doctor what he/she has done to rule out those possible side-effects. Otherwise, dispute their unreasonable charges. Don't let any greedy doctor treat you like a number, make you wait an hour, or rush you out of their office. Otherwise, dispute their unreasonable charges. Don't fall for this CRAP that doctors have no choice but to over-book their time or over-charge their patients because of high overhead. ITS A LIE. YOUR DOCTOR IS MOST LIKELY A MULTI-MILLIONAIRE. So don't fall for their CRAP. Demand their undivided attention and respect. Afterall, they took an oath. Do all of the above regardless of your coverage. Don't force your employer to cover the obscene and often fraudulent charges of a corrupt health care industry. By doing so, you make the problem worse. Keep your guard up when watching ANY talk show. These people are not your friends. They are not your advocates. They are paid actors hired to get your attention and your money. Some of them are also executive producers (Oprah Winfrey, Ellen Degeneres, and Dr Phil.). Nearly every word, smile, and stupid joke is rehearsed ahead of time. Including those which take place during what appear to be 'technical oversights' (Today Show). Its all fake. Its all calculated. Nearly every segment is about marketing some over-priced product or service. They will use any excuse to plug a gadget, fashion item, travel destonation, drug, movie, TV show, book, magazine, song, website, ect. Almost all of it over-priced. Almost all of it resulting in higher profits for their sponsors, partners, and parent companies. DON'T FALL FOR IT. Big business is fine on occasion depending on their ethics, profit margins, and profit sharing. Do your homework. If you want to support any legitimate charity, then do so directly. Never support any celebrity foundation. They spend most of their funding on PR campaigns, exotic travel, and high end accomodations for themselves. Thats right. Filthy rich public figures have been jet-setting the world in the name of 'humanity' for years. Riding in personal jets, staying in super-exclusive resorts, and living it up in exotic locations around the world the likes of which most people could never afford even if their lives depended on it. They bring along agents, advisors, publicists, hair, make-up, wardrobe, lighting, and photo crews who are also in it for themselves. They are paid six or seven figures for their part to schedule, manage, document, showcase, praise, and publicize the 'good will' of said public figures and their respective industries. Every possible expense is passed of as 'incidental' or 'necessary' and billed right back to some 'foundation' named after said public figure and/or respective industry. Every possible tax deduction is claimed. Which are incredibly vague and diverse thanks to our sold-out government. Deals are cut with major networks who agree to praise the 'good will' or 'humanitarian' effort of said public figures and plug their latest commercial project around the same time. Others from around the world pick up the story and save these industries billions in advertising every year. Resulting in higher profits and paychecks for the 1% club. When its all said and done more wealth is transfered from poor to rich. NOT the other way around. So don't support any charity named after a living celebrity. Don't be fooled by any affiliation or inspired by any short term short sighted progress report. Instead, go to Charitywatch.org and look up a top rated charity to support your favorite cause. Its all there. For example: 'Habitat For Humanity' is a top rated charity. They operate with a low overhead, volunteer workforce, and donated materials. They have built homes for the less fortunate in nearly every city nationwide. Including New Orleans. They do so as we speak. No similar effort can match their progress hour for hour or dollar for dollar. So there is no legitimate reason to support a slower, less efficient effort represented by a filthy rich Hollywood actor who flies in on a personal jet, takes most of the credit, and makes a deal with a major network for plugs just days before the premier of his latest film or DVD release. By doing so, you support not only the effort, but also the filthy rich actor. Concentrating more wealth and dumbing down our society further in the process. Instead, support 'Habitat For Humanity'. Its not perfect. It is affiliated with some big business. However, it is MUCH more efficient, effective, and less corrupt than 'Make It Right'. The difference is profound. In general, support the little guy as much as possible and the big guy as little as possible. Keep your own greed in check. Don't play the lottery and don't invest only for profit. If you do come into a fortune, then give away the bulk of it to others who have far less. Find the courage and do it. STAY OUT OF THE 1% CLUB. Encourage others to do the same. Their standard is obscene, unjust, illogical, and immoral. There is no excuse for it. Do your part to reverse the transfer of wealth away from the rich and back to the middle and lower classes. Otherwise, there will be no economic recovery EVER. Unfortunately, there is no perfect answer. Jobs will be lost either way. Families will go cold and hungry either way. Innocent children will starve and die either way. But we need to support the largest group of workers with the most reasonable profit margins. We need to stand for a more reasonable distribution of income, bottom line wealth, and resources. We also need to support LEGITIMATE charities (Check that list at Charitywatch.org). This is our only chance to limit the severity or duration of the comming US/global depression. In the meantime, don’t listen to Bernanke, Paulson, Bartiromo, Orman, Dobbs, Kramer, Pickens, Larson, O'Reiley, Limbaugh, Bruce, Inghram, or any other public figure with regard to the economy. They are all plenty smart but I swear to you that they will lie right through their rotten teeth. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. These people work for big business. The ‘experts’ they cite also work for big business. They are motivated primarily by their desire to accumulate more wealth. THEY WILL LIE RIGHT THROUGH THEIR ROTTEN TEETH. So don’t fall for their tricks. Instead, look at the big picture. The economic problems we face have been mounting for well over 20 years. All of them caused or aggrivated by a constant transfer of wealth from poor to rich. Soon, it will cause the first ever GLOBAL DEPRESSION. Its not brain surgery. For the mostpart, Its simple math. Like I said, you are welcome to copy this entry and run it by any professor of economics or socio-economics. Ask them specifically about the link between distribution of wealth and economic stability. If thats not good enough, then look up what Albert Einstein had to say about greed, excess, extreme wealth, and its horrible concequences. I speak the truth. GREED KILLS. IT WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL.

Its already underway. A massive campaign to divert our attention. Trump, Buffet, OReiley, Dobbs, Pickens, Norris, and several other well known filthy rich public figures have been running their mouths about the economy. Finally admitting a hint of severity after almost 2 years of denial. They even have the nerve to acknowledge the possibility of a US/global depression. Still, they refuse to acknowledge the single greatest underlying cause. Instead, they focus on policies, procedures, and circumstances that were born FROM the underlying cause. Dancing their way around the big picture. DON'T FALL FOR IT. Remember: Our national debt was way up BEFORE sub-prime. Consumer debt was way up BEFORE sub-prime. The cost of living was up BEFORE sub-prime. Wall Street profits were obscene BEFORE sub-prime. The middle class were loosing free and clear assets BEFORE sub-prime. Our infrastructure was in bad shape BEFORE sub-prime. Loans from China were taken out BEFORE sub-prime. The dollar was loosing value BEFORE sub-prime. So don’t let these cowardly filthy rich public figures divert your attention or limit your range of thought. THE CURRENT ECONOMIC CRISIS WAS NOT CAUSED BY A SINGLE POLICY OR PROCEDURE. IT WAS CAUSED PRIMARILY BY A MASSIVE TRANSFER OF WEALTH FROM POOR TO RICH. THIS ALSO REPRESENTS A MASSIVE CONCENTRATION OF CAPITAL WORLDWIDE. OTHERWISE, THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SUCH A MARKET FOR SUB-PRIME AND THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A GLOBAL CREDIT CRUNCH. MONEY DOES NOT GROW ON TREES AND IT DOES NOT JUST FLOAT AWAY. IT ONLY TRANSFERS FROM ONE PARTY TO ANOTHER. ALBERT EINSTEIN TRIED TO MAKE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. GREED KILLS. IT WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL.

A word for those who respond with the usual ‘I know more than you. I spell better than you. I talk like an economist. Look how smart, knowledgable, and articulate I am’ crap. Let me say this in advance. I don’t claim to be an expert in this field. But I did go on record with these predictions long before any public figure uttered the word ‘recession’. I've done so 'on the air' and 'online'. Millions of you already know my voice. My first call was in September of '05'. I tried to explain that we will never have world peace without world prosperity and that we will never have world prosperity without a 'fair and reasonable pay-scale'. I also tried to explain the link between 'extreme wealth' and 'extreme poverty'. My call was immediately followed by attacks from so called 'patriots' who felt that my cause must have been to promote 'socialism' or 'bring down America'. Not warn her citizens. You may also remember me from chat rooms criticizing the 1% club and Hollywood humanitarians in particular. If you search long enough, you will find my early postings online from ‘05' and ‘06'. At first, they were written specifically to fit within a few hundred characters. Including the first draft of this rant. It started with one short paragraph predicting a 'total collapse of the US economy'. Others included phrases like 'game of Monopoly', 'recession is inevitable', 'global recession', 'greed kills', and 'the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time'. Some of which were eventually included here. From day 1, I have tried to explain the link between extreme wealth, poverty, and economic instability. My internet account was eventually cancelled for posting 'spam' in response to articles about the economy. In December of '06', I predicted market instability by spring of the following year. I did so 'on the air'. In January of '07', I called another morning talk show and spoke with a guest host who was filling in for a well known public figure. Again, I specifically predicted growing market instability, the current US recession, and the subsequent US/global depression.Which by the way, will be the worst of all time by far. In February of '07', Allen Greenspan acknowledged a 'one in three' chance of a US recession. I immediately called another talk radio show and guranteed AGAIN that it was iminent. I criticized Greenspan and tried to explain that it was not about 'odds' but instead a very simple equation with regard to distribution of income and wealth. I also gave credit to Albert Einstein who went on record with similar views in 1949. As far as I know, he was the first to do so. By late spring of '07', the market was rattled and the economic 'stimulus' in the works. Which turned out to be around $160,000,000,000. THATS ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY BILLION DOLLARS. Well over 1% of our GDP. Deemed appropriate at the time by our leaders. In fact, Bush went on record with a claim that it was based on a mathematical formula and proven strategy. They said it would work. I immediately predicted that it would have little or no effect. By summer of '07' the stock market was more unstable. The housing market in decline. Again, I predicted that it would get MUCH worse. In September of '07', I predicted that our government would have no choice but to acknowledge a US recession by October of '08'. I also assured the audiance that our economy would "go down in a ball of flames" because of greed and that no recovery would EVER take place without a more reasonable distribution of wealth and resources. I have made these predictions 'on air' and 'online' literally hundreds of times. The first call was in September of '05'. Made to a well known public figure with a large audiance. The first blog post a month or so later. Prior to that, I had never even seen one. In fact, my very first post to a blog was written specifically to warn my fellow citizens about the comming US/global depression. Which I was already convinced at the time would be SEVERE within a decade. That was in October of '05'. At the time, there were literally only a few of us worldwide posting any such prediction online. I'm talking maybe a dozen searchable links. This particular rant began with one short paragraph in '06'. Like the others, it was originally intended to fit within a few hundred characters. At the time, I was unaware of any blogs which allowed for longer entries to be posted anonymously. This paragraph was first written in early-mid '08'. Its been updated several times. There has also been a running debate on iVillage.com which began in October of '07' (don't click on their ads). In February or March of '08', I refered specifically to the bank failures of the Great Depression and predicted that it was about to happen again. At the time, I was one of only a few worldwide to go on record with any such prediction. This was still several weeks to months before Greenspan, Paulson, Bartiromo, Orman, Kramer, O'Reiley, Larson, Bohannon, Dobbs, Celeste or any other well known public figure had acknowledged even a hint of severity. It was also several weeks before Fanny May and Freddie Mac made the news. I also predicted in March that our markets would end the year much lower than they began. Which was still contrary to what we were being told by any public figure. I was allowed to post but when my predictions came true, the site operators went back all the way to October of '07' and deleted nearly every one of my previous entries (they missed a few.). Their motive was obvious. They wanted to 'erase' my credibility. IVillage.com is directly affiliated with NBC, GE, Universal Studeos, Countrywide, CityBank, Capital One, Oprah Winfrey, Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, Ellen Degeneres, Dr Phil, and others who I persecute by name. All of which depend on the constant dumbing down of society. All of whom are partially responsible for the current economic crisis. None of which or whom have the GUTS to acknowledge the single greatest underlying cause. GREED. In fact, those who epitomoze it (all of the above) want my big mouth SHUT. For 3 solid years, I have been ripping on the 1% club for their incredible greed and hypocrisy. From day 1, my call has been for a more reasonable distribution of income, wealth, and resources. My warning that without it, we would face the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time. Since then, I’ve gone on record against people like Greenspan, Bernanke, Paulson, Laffer, O'Reiley, Bartiromo, Orman, Kramer, Larson, and Dobbs. So far, my predictions have been accurate. The public figures DEAD WRONG. Afterall, not one of them acknowledged even a hint of severity in '05', '06', or '07'. When they FINALLY did this year, they all said something to the effect of "None of us saw this comming.". LIARS. There were a few of us typing our fingers to the bone trying to warn people. There were a few of us calling talk radio shows almost daily trying to warn people. I was one of them. Again, I don't claim to be an expert in this field. But I do understand simple equations, basic economics, and cultural trends. I also realize that mainstream views are DEAD WRONG and based on LIES told by filthy rich public figures who will say whatever it takes to serve their own interests. GREED. Afterall, what kind of incredible MORON could even glance at the numbers and somehow think the equation could work? What kind of incredible MORON could possibly hope to sustain an economy based on a constant transfer of wealth from poor to rich? What the hell did they expect to happen when the middle class finally ran low on money to spend on over-priced crap like everything that I mentioned in that first long paragraph? What the hell were they thinking of? I'll tell you what. RICHES. FILTHY STINKING RICHES. Thats what. Now, they are spinning themselves dizzy trying to divert our attention. Mark my words: They will never acknowledge the downside of their own incredible greed. They will all come up with one campaign or strategy after another to blame the other guy, the other administration, the other politician, the other party, the other policy, the other industry, the other country, ect. Whatever it takes to dumb down our society. They will NEVER have the GUTS to acknowledge the single greatest underlying cause for this global economic crisis. GREED. Its not their knowledge I question. Its their character. GREED. Like I said. This is not brain surgery. For the mostpart, its simple math. When you concentrate the world’s wealth, you also concentrate its capital, and shrink the middle class along with the potential market for every major industry. Homes go unsold. Bills go unpaid. Jobs are lost. Banks fail. More products go unsold. More jobs are lost. More banks fail. and so on. and so on. and so on. It happened 80 years ago. It will happen again. This time on a catastrophic global scale. Throughout the cycle, the rich will panic and tighten their grip. Concentrating the world’s wealth and resources even further, getting richer in the process, and ensuring the collapse of every major economy worldwide. Think it can’t happen? Think again. GREED KILLS. IT WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL.

Another thing. I don’t want credit for any of this. Otherwise, I would have given my full name a long time ago. I havn't. IT DOESN'T MATTER. I'm not selling a book and I'm not looking for any notoriety. At least not yet. I do have a plan to go public when my parents die. In fact, I have BIG plans for my inheritence. Every single penny of it. In the meantime, I don't want them to know about it. I also don't want them punished for my big mouth. Which is why I've gone out of my way to remain anonymous for 3 solid years. When I do go public, it won't be for profit and it won't be for popularity. It will be for a legitimate cause and NOTHING ELSE. In fact, I hope to be just one of many. A face in the crowd. In the meantime, I don't care who gets to say "I told you so." IT DOESN'T MATTER. As far as I’m concerned, you can put this entire rant in your own words and take credit for all of it. I don’t care. Just spread the word. Otherwise, the greatest injustice of all time will go down in history unchecked.

By the way. The bailout won’t work. IT WON’T WORK. The plan fails to address the fundamental problem. The middle class don’t need more credit. They need a reasonable share of the economic pie. They also need a lower cost of living and a chance to catch their breath. They need a break from all of the psychological marketing tricks and mass market BS. Most of all, they need to wake up, see the truth, and take a stand. GREED KILLS. IT WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL.

10.01.08
To my surprise, two public figures have found the courage to acknowledge this problem to some degree. On 11.07.07 former presidential candidate Ron Paul mentioned the massive transfer of wealth from poor to rich. He also hinted at the possibility of economic collapse. He did so on 'Face the Nation'. He was blacklisted almost immediately for doing so. On 9.28.08 former secretary of labor Robert Reich refered to the obscene levels of income inequality as part of a "recipe for disaster". He mentioned the richest one percent in particular. He did so on 'Late Night With Conan O'Brien'. As far as I know, Albert Einstein was the first to explain the link between extreme wealth and economic instability. He did so in 1949. He explained how the first Great Depression was actually caused by a massive transfer of wealth from poor to rich. He predicted that it would happen again. He also predicted much greater levels of economic instability proportional to much greater levels of income and wealth inequality. He was right. Amazing. The prosperity of an entire world is about to be compromised. Almost entirely because of greed. IT WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL.

Another word about the Great Depression. It really was a perfect storm. First, there was unprecidented economic growth. There was a massive building spree. There was a growing sense of optimism. There was a growing obsession for celebrities. The average American became a pathetic, brainwshed, consumer junkie, moron. All of this represented a MASSIVE transfer of wealth from poor to rich. Executives, entrepreneurs, celebrities, and share holders. When the middle class finally ran low on money to spend UP, DOWN, and ACROSS, the rich did what they felt necessary to maintain their disgusting profit margins and ill-gotten obscene levels of wealth as long as possible. They cut jobs. The small business owners did what they felt necessary to survive. They cut jobs. The losses were felt primarily by the little guy. This created a domino effect. The middle class shrunk and the lower class expanded. With less wealth in active circulation, banks failed by the hundreds. More jobs were lost. Unemployment reached 25% in 1933. The worst year of the Great Depression. The recovery involved a World War and higher taxes on the rich. With so many men in the service, so many women on the production line, and those higher taxes to help pay for it, the lions share of United States wealth was gradually transfered back to the middle class. This redistribution of wealth continued until the late seventies. At the time, the richest 1% reaped about 10% of all private income and held about 20% of all United States wealth. Far less than previous levels. The middle class had home equity, free and clear assets, and money in the bank. The tide began to change. Jimmy Carter was blamed for a recession that was caused by a number of global circumstances including greed. Then a short sighted pig by the name of Arthur Laffer came along. He convinced Ronald Reagan to grant massive tax breaks to the rich and their respective industries. His half-baked theory was that by doing so, unprecidented levels of economic growth could be achieved. He was right. Unfortunately, he failed to see or acknowledge the big picture. That 'economic growth' and 'actual prosperity' are two different things. Jobs don't 'create' wealth. They only transfer it from one party to another. The devil is in the details. Reaganomics, gave the rich and their respective industries the incentive to 'expand' and 'create jobs'. But those products and services were over-priced and then sold or billed right back to the people. Often, without their knowledge, understanding, or consent. Certainly without a clue about how the economy REALLY works. All of this resulted in higher profits for those at the top and stagnant wages for everyone else. So with Reaganomics, the transfer of wealth from poor to rich was kicked back into high gear. Here we are 27 years later. Another perfect storm. The big one. Not only have we become a nation of consumer junkie credit card morons. But we have also become fat, stupid, and programmed to live by drug and doctor. We spend most of our spare time on the couch getting brainwashed by public figures. Even worse, those public figures have re-defined any logical standard we ever had for 'good will'. Mother Teresa is dead. America's favorite 'humanitarian' is now a filthy rich multi-media pig who reaped a billion dollar fortune from the middle class by making damn sure they stay on that couch long enough to watch her show and read her magazine. Transforming them into pathetic, naive, love-sick fools who turn around and buy any product or service endorsed by their idol. The same goes for Ellen Degeneres and her respective audiance. In fact, every filthy rich well known public figure and every major industry have followed suit with a similar marketing strategy. Dumbing down our society and cashing in on bogus promises to make the world a better place. Amazing. EVERY big business, EVERY big celebrity, EVERY billionaire, and damn near every multi-millionaire on the planet have all taken up 'philanthropy' or 'good will'. Those with the most money, also have the most power, and influense by far. They own or influense every government, manage every major industry, and the lion's share of life sustaining resources. They literally rule our world. Still, every major problem of modern society gets worse by the day. The world's wealth is more concentrated than ever before. Her life sustaining resources are in high demand, more expensive than ever, and squandered by the rich on extravogant living. Meanwhile, families loose their homes, retirees loose their pensions, heroes loose their lives, crime is up, and red ink flows in nearly every community. The global economy is in a state of crisis. The prosperity of an entire world is about to be compromised. Still, those with the most power, money, influense, and 'good will'. promise to make it all better. If only we continue to support them and buy any product or service with their name on it. IT IS A SHAM. GOOD WILL HAS BECOME BIG BUSINESS.

The point about our government printing up more money was that it can't be done "on a whim" and that there are serious concequences for doing so (weak dollar, higher gas prices, inflation). I never said that it can't be or hasn't been done at all. Afterall, those loans from China weren't infused in the form of Chinese currency. They were infused in the form of our own. Not given to the middle or lower classes but instead to the banks in the form of credit. Its done nothing but perpetuate the problem. It never has been and never will be the answer. Sorry if I wasn't explicit enough the first time. The original draft of this particular rant was written 2 years ago and intended to fit within 300 characters. Anyway, I'm no English major. So if any of you want to re-word this post, feel free to do so. Whatever it takes to make people understand.


11/05/08
A new president will be taking office soon. Backed up by a heavily democratic congress who have all campaigned on a promise to raise taxes on the rich. Unfortunately, this will be too little too late. Nowhere near enough to compensate for the incredible corruption of both major parties. Nowhere near enough to pay for the bailout. Nowhere near enough to stop that runaway train. There will be no change for the better. Obama's financial advisers are pigs. Warren Buffet is a pig. Oprah Winfrey is a pig. Obama himself is a multi-millionaire politician married to a multi-millionaire attorney. He has already run the most expensive political campaign in history. Some of it squandered on a $400 lobster feast for his wife. Financed for the mostpart by ordinary people who can't even afford a $400 lobster feast. It happened on Obama's watch. Probably more than once. He even had the nerve to ask those ordinary people to help pay off the campaign debt of another filthy rich multi-millionaire politician PIG (Hilary Clinton). I will admit that Barack Obama seems to have more character than most of his colleagues. Certainly more than Clinton, Gore, McCain, Palin, Bush, Cheney, Romney, Schwarznenager, Palosi, Kerry, Guliani, Kennedy, Bloomberg, or Edwards. He was probably a very good down to earth man at one time. The same goes for Joe Biden. Not anymore. Afterall, John McCain was also a very good down to earth man at one time. A true American hero. NOT ANYMORE. Now, he is a filthy rich politician pig married to a filthy rich big business pig. SOLD OUT. Mark my words: Obama and Biden will do the same. Whatever moral character they may have left, will be lost or heavily compromised while in office. Like the others, their administration will be riddled with scandals of greed and corruption. Like the others, they will succumb to the greatest epidemic ever faced by modern man. By far, the most intoxicating element of modern society. Greed. Simply the desire to get as rich as possible. It has the potential to blacken any heart. Break the will of any human being. Influense any government. Corrupt any society. Those who succumb to it are lost forever. You can not get through to these people. You can not make them understand. No matter how bad it gets for the little guy. No matter how many families loose their homes. No matter how many people go cold and hungry. No matter how many innocent children starve and die. No matter how much blood is shed. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. The rich will ALWAYS blame the other guy. They will ALWAYS say or do whatever it takes to secure their own extreme personal wealth. When they 'give back', its only because they expect more in return. They will NEVER compromise their own bottom line. They will NEVER jeapordize their position in the 1% club. They will NEVER stand for a more reasonable distribution of wealth and resources. They will NEVER acknowledge greed as a form of evil. They will NEVER acknolwedge the potential it has to ruin EVERYTHING. They will NEVER admit the simple truth. GREED KILLS. IT WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL.

Ford, GM, and Dodge are begging the current admistration for some type of 'bridge loan' in order to avoid bankruptcy. The unions are begging for it. The people are divided. All because of a LIE. Again, we have been mislead. I'm not disputing their need. Its legit. I'm disputing the underlying cause. Competition my ass. China my ass. Japan my ass. Those factors are real but not fatal. They are also concequential. Not primary. Again, its GREED and CORRUPTION. Not only that of the auto executives and celebrities who demand millions to endorse the product but also within the health care industry. Thats right. Health care. The average doctor is a millionaire several times over. The average health care executive many times over. Both on average, are members of the 1% club. AGAIN, ITS THEIR FAULT. If it weren't for the OBSCENE health care charges, brainwash plots, and artificially inflated market, then the financial burden placed on Ford, GM, and Dodge wouldn't be anywhere near as high. They could easily match the labor of Honda, Toyota, and Hyndai who's workers are younger on average and not so demanding when it comes to 'health care'. In this case, the little guy is partly to blame for their incredible ignorance. They smoke, drink, get fat, fall for the most OBVIOUS health care scams, live by drug and doctor, kiss greedy doctor ass, drive up the cost of their own health care, demand full coverage, and then strike if they don't get it. Retired US auto workers on average are now causing their former employers to incur an additional $500,000 PER RETIREE in health care expenses over the span of their retirement. Those in the current workforce are partly to blame as well. Not for greed. Their wages are reasonable. But their health care demands are well in excess. If they would simply open their eyes, acknowledge the incredible greed and corruption within the health care industry, get off the couch, get off the pharmaceuticals, and take care of their own bodies, then their own cost of living would be lower, their health would be better, the market for their product would be higher, and the financial burden placed on Ford, GM, and Dodge would be MUCH lower. I'm not discounting other factors like gas prices, competition, and the US product line. But greed and ignorance wreak havok like no other elements of our society. They cause or allow the cost of living to rise and the middle class to shrink along with the potential market for every major industry. In this case, they also raise the financial burden placed on US auto makers. Mark my words: One or two US automakers will go bankrupt. They will do so regardless of any 'bridge loan'. Other well known foreign auto makers will follow. The entire manufacturing industry will become a shell of its former self. Millions of retirees will be cut off entirely. ALL BECAUSE OF GREED, CORRUPTION, AND IGNORANCE. The ripple effect is profound. IT WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL.

12/16/08
The feds have reduced their interest rate to an all time low. IT WON'T WORK. The same goes for any potential bailout for the US auto industry or any other. IT WON'T WORK. IT ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY WILL NOT WORK. I would bet my life on it a hundred times over. Again, our own leaders refuse to acknowledge the single greatest drag on our economy. The single greatest underlying cause for the global economic crisis. GREED. They all refuse to acknowledge the downside. That idiot pig Arthur Laffer refuses to acknowledge it. Greenspan, Bernanke, and Paulson refuse to acknowledge it. Bush, Clinton, Kerry, Gore, Obama, and Kennedy refuse to acknowledge it. Lars Larson, Tammy Bruce, Lou Dobbs, Mike Gallagher, Suze Orman, Bill O'Reiley, Maria Bartiromo, Jim Kramer, Rush Limbaugh, and Jim Bohannon refuse to acknowledge it. Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Oprah Winfrey, Richard Branson, and T-Boone Pickens refuse to acknowledge it. The same goes for all of their filthy-rich billionaire friends. All of the above are hypocrite pigs who don't have the guts to admit the simple truth. This is not brain surgery. For the mostpart, its simple math. WE ARE IN THIS MESS BECAUSE OF GREED. The world's richest one percent are now so incredibly rich that there simply isn't enough wealth circulating beneath them to sustain the global economy. Its on the brink of collapse. IT WILL COLLAPSE. We are now entering what will go down in history as the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time by far. You think its bad now? YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET. NOTHING. Trillions more in wealth/capital will be concentrated (Not lost. Concentrated.). Many more banks large and small will fail. Tens of millions will loose their savings (Transfered from poor to rich.). Even FDIC accounts will be forfeited (Yes they will. Yes they will. Yes they will.). Every major industry will become a shell of its former self. Unemployment will reach unprecidented levels. Millions of retirees will be cut off entirely. The lower class will become dominant. The financial aid system will fail miserably. The vast majority of those in need will have no access. Crime, poverty, and suicide will skyrocket. There will be riots and random acts of violence at banks, hospitals, and government buildings. The next generation will be left to fight in the crumbling streets over a shattered American dream. The rest of the world will have it even worse. So don't blame innocent people from other countries you idiots. Blame the rich. Blame the government. Blame the health care industry. Then blame yourselves for being so stupid for so many years. We have allowed a particular form of evil to grow out of control, intoxicate our society, consume our government, wreak havok on our own economy and culture, RUIN any chance we ever had at world prosperity, and jeapordize the very foundation of modern society. At the same time, we have allowed those who epitomize it to get away with calling themselves 'heroes' or 'humanitarians'. Putting a happy face on greed and dumbing down our society further in the process. THAT MEANS YOU. So wake up fellow citizens. Grow a spine. Don't fall for all of this 'good will' 'humanitarian' BS from the rich. IT IS A SHAM. NOTHING BUT TAX DEDUCTIBLE PR CRAP. Instead, look at the bottom line. IT'S F#@&#%$ OBSCENE. NOW GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS YOU IDIOTS. WE ARE IN THIS MESS BECAUSE OF GREED. AMERICA'S RICHEST ONE PERCENT NOW OWN ALMOST 1/2 OF ALL UNITED STATES WEALTH. THE WORLD'S RICHEST ONE PERCENT NOW OWN OVER 40% OF ALL WORLD WEALTH. THATS WAY TOO MUCH. THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT HEROES. THEY ARE NOT HUMANITARIANS. THEY ARE DISGUSTING HYPOCRITE SLOBS. IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MUCH THEY GIVE BACK. THEY STILL KEEP WAY TOO MUCH. IT CAN'T WORK THIS WAY. IT ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY CAN NOT WORK THIS WAY. IT NEVER HAS AND IT NEVER WILL. GREED KILLS. IT WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL.

1% CLUB PIGS: I've said it many times and I will say it many more. Greed is not the desire to break the law or intentionally oppress another human being. Greed is simply the desire to take more than your reasonable share of wealth or any limited resource. By doing so, you reduce the value of currency and raise the cost of living worldwide. You cause a domino-effect of socio-economic problems. You literally cause innocent people to suffer and die. YOU MAKE WORLD PROSPERITY MATHEMATICALLY AND PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. It does not matter how much you 'give back'. It matters how much you KEEP. This is why I will go to my grave with nothing but bleeding and burning hatred for all of you. Thats right. I hate you and I'm not afraid to admit it. Afterall, its OK to hate a rapist. Its OK to hate a terrorist. I do. But I also hate wolves in sheep's clothing. THAT MEANS YOU. In fact, I consider the equation you stand for to be the greatest injustice of all time. It makes my f$#@&$# blood boil. Jealosy my ass. Low self-esteem my ass. Self-pity my ass. Anyone who still thinks that after reading all of this is a F&#@%$# MORON. You disgusting hypocrite pigs. I've noticed the little shots you've been taking at me, a few others, and the cause we stand for. The psychological stunts. Thats right Will Smith, Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, Today Show pigs, Regis and Kelly, Ellen DeGeneres, Dr Phil, Oprah Winfrey, Lars Larson, Bill O'Reiley, Lou Dobbs, Ann Coulter, Tammy Bruce, Laura Inghram. I've noticed the crafty elusive statements you've been making about greed and subtle insults directed at those very few of us who stand against it. I also know that you're well aware of this campaign and that you're trying to shut it down. You've even gone out of your way to specifically attack 'anonymous' bloggers in general. As if we are somehow less credible without a registered account. I'm not the slightest bit intimidated by any of it. YOUR TRICKS WILL NEVER WORK ON ME. Mark my words: No matter what you say or do, I will spend the rest of my life persecuting all of you for the disgusting, obscene, unjust, illogical, and immoral equation you stand for. I won't break any laws. I won't harm one hair on your rotten heads. Its not that I don't wish you were gone. I do. But I would never jeapordize such an important cause with a criminal act. NEVER. My only realistic goal is to make as many people as possible understand. Including future generations. I hope they look back on these words and spit on your graves. Afterall, they won't achieve any degree of world peace or prosperity until after they acknowledge GREED as a form of EVIL. Not until they acknowledge it with a number or some type of material standard. In the unlikely event they ever do, I hope they FINALLY come up with a system that works for the vast majority. One with a reasonable pay scale and caps on personal wealth. Otherwise, their system will fail over and over again. Just like the one you stand for. It can't work this way. It never has and it never will. NEVER. NO WAY IN HELL. So mark my words: I will not make excuses for a single one of you. I don't care how smart you think you are. I don't care how talented you think you are. I don't care how pretty you think you are. I don't care what you think you've done to earn up to fifty thousand times the pay of a firefighter, soldier, farmer, teacher, cop, truck driver, or garbageman. You're not worth it. I don't even care if your personal fortune fell out of the sky. If you're rich, I hate you. I don't care how much you 'give back'. I care how much you keep. Therefore, I will do everything within my power and within the law to expose your incredible greed and hypocrisy. If you want to break my will, then you're going to have to break my neck first. and if you pull a stunt like that, then a lot of people will know what happened to me and why. I've planned in detail for it. Most of you have no idea. Regardless, you pigs will not go down in history as 'heroes' or 'humanitarians'. Not if I can help it. We're in this mess primarily because of you. Its going to get MUCH worse primarily because of you. Thats what I believe and thats the message I intend to spread for the rest of my life. DEAL WITH IT.

1.21.09
A few more words about our new president and how certain public figures are using him to divert our attention, dumb down our society, shut my big mouth, and discredit the cause I stand for. I said it during the presidential campaign, I said it again in November, and I will say it again now. Our new president has more character than most of his colleagues. Much more. In fact, he puts Bush, Cheney, Rice, Clinton, Gore, Palosi, Reagan, Carter, Romney, Schwarzenegger, Bloomberg, and Kennedy to shame. He also puts nearly every living public figure to shame. Including those who claim to support him. By politician, public figure, and 1% club standards, he is an angel. That being said, he is still a politician. Still a public figure. Still a member of the one percent club. Just a man. Like any other, he is a product not only of genetics but also of his environment. Like any other, he is intoxicated by certain elements of modern society. Including three of the worst. Fame, fortune, and power. All three have the potential to corrupt the mind, the heart, and the will of any human being. I can name only one who resisted the influense of all three. Mother Teresa died in 1998. The amazing standard she set died with her. Since then, an army of public figures and false heroes have sold out the very concept of 'good will'. Capitalizing on bogus promises to make the world a better place. The vast majority, on day one. The rest, along the way. Obama will do the same. Its just pathetic human nature. Put any man or woman on a stage or throne and something about them is different. Make any man or woman rich and something about them is different. I said it in November and I will say it again. Barack Obama was probably a very good down to earth man at one time. That was before the corrupt influense of fame, fortune, and power. Now, something about him is different. The same goes for Michelle Obama. They have already begun to sell out. Not only as necessary during the campaign because of our ignorant society and the fact that we won't elect ANYONE unless they look a certain way, dress a certain way, talk a certain way, kiss our babies, cut our taxes, tell us what we want to hear no matter how unrealistic, believe in God, follow a certain religion, support a certain industry, and show up on our favorite talk show with a fake smile, stupid jokes, and lame dance moves. That was bad enough. A sell-out necessary to get elected by a pathetic, ignorant, naive, short sighted, half-wit, couch potatoe, love-sick, celebrity junkie society. But also for profit before, during, and after the election. I already mentioned the $400 lunchtime lobster feast. Paid for mostly by ordinary people who were willing to cut into their modest bottom lines in order to help get their hero elected. SHE ATE IT. That was bad enough. Another sign of the times. As expected, its already getting worse. I have no problem with the armor plated presidential limo, the extra security, the inauguration, or the speech. I have no problem with the concept of a public celebration. But I do have a problem with the $35,000 ring, the $150,000 dress, the exotic crystal, the exotic food, the coorporate plugs, NBC, MTV, BET, Beyonce, LL Cool J, Miley Cyrus, and every other filthy rich big business/big money/big celebrity hypocrite pig who had the nerve to fly in on their personal jets, stand there lavished in gold, and jewels, and fur, and $10,000 suits and pretend as if they and Obama share a desire to make the country and our world a better, more stable, more peaceful, and more 'just' place for all its people. Once again, promoting their own interests, dumbing down our society, and dancing their way around the single greatest underlying cause for the global economic crisis. GREED. The single greatest threat to modern society. GREED. Filthy, rotten, disgusting, self-centered, self-serving, black-hearted, hypocritical GREED. By doing so, they divert our attention AGAIN at a crucial time when we need more than ever to finally acknowledge GREED as a form of EVIL. At a time when we need more than ever to understand how it burns through moral character, spreads like wildfire, jumps from one industry to another, one person to another, and wreaks havok on society worldwide. IT ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY BEYOND ANY SHADOW OF A DOUBT WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL. All of this happened on Obama's watch. I understand that he didn't plan most of the details. But he did know about many. He stood by and watched that event sell out to the highest bidder. He also bought the ring. He didn't even have a word to say about the double standards or many ethical contradictions. Afterall, he got elected. It was no longer necessary to kiss so much big business, big money, big celebrity, 1% club ass. SELL-OUT. Now, that army of filthy-rich, self-centered, self-serving, self-promoting, hypocrite pigs are using Obama's hopefull words against those very few of us who know better. They even have the nerve to belittle and villianize people like me simply because we don't float around with happy uplifting thoughts and a smile on our face. They pretend as if our message can't possibly be legitimate if its expressed with anger, contempt, hatred, or fear. As if a 'positive' attitude is any match for that domino-effect of socio-economic problems caused almost entirely by GREED. I understand that Obama could never go on record with views anything like mine. He has no choice but to be tolerant of other filthy-rich and powerful public figures. I can even forgive the affiliation to some extent. I also believe that he truly does want some degree of government reform, ethics, accountability, peace, prosperity, stability, opportunity, and economic justice for all people. Like I said, by politician standards he is an angel. Which is probably the nicest thing I will ever say or even think about a rich and powerful public figure. I find it near impossible to hate the man. He is literally the only rich and powerful public figure on this planet that I don't hate. I also understand why he gave the uplifting speech. I really don't blame him for a single word of it. But I will not pretend as if a smile or 'positive' attitude is any match for that particular form of evil consuming our world. I will not choose 'hope' over 'fear' just because it feels nice. Of course, I want things to get better. Of course, I will try in vain to help make things better. Of course, I want something legitimate to celebrate. Something that we could all be a part of. Of course, I desperately want Obama to succeed. Of course, I desperately want all of my predictions to be proven wrong. I just don't see it happening. With or without Obama, we are still stuck on that runaway train. Its not going to be any better. Its not going to be alright. Not for the vast majority. Its going to get much worse and stay that way for a very long time. I fully expect to die knowing that I devoted myself to a cause which was lost from day one. Greed will always triumph over good will. The people will never take any real stand against it. The vast majority are pathetic, ignorant, naive, short sighted, brainwashed, pharmameutical, medical-testing, couch potatoe, credit card, love-sick, celebrity junkie, powderpuffs. Perfect little victims. I hate to say that about my fellow citizens but its the truth. Afterall, they didn't see this comming. I tried to warn them and they still didn't see it. Others tried to warn them and they didn't see it. Albert Einstein tried to warn them SIXTY F$#&#$# YEARS AGO. They didn't listen. They didn't see it. They did NOTHING to stop this or even slow it down. Even now, when the problem is so much more obvious. Even now, when the futures of their children are at stake. Still, they do NOTHING. Sometimes, I wonder if they are even worth fighting for. What the hell is the point? They will never listen. They will never wake up. They will never do simple math. They will never take a stand. There will never be economic justice. There will never be a more reasonable distribution of wealth and resources. Therefore, there will never be any degree of world peace or prosperity. Its only going to get worse. A LOT WORSE. GREED KILLS. IT WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL.

Anonymous said...

make the doctors, nurses, annonymous father, idiot mother and the clinic and hospital who allowed the idiot mother to have all these kids, pay for them. What the hell were the doctors thinking?