... the male bullies take an egalitarian approach, mowing down men and women pretty much in equal measure. The women appear to prefer their own kind, choosing other women as targets more than 70 percent of the time.Hmm. Let's think about that: Men take an "egalitarian approach," which might mean that men exercise decisive but fair leadership that generates a few grumbles, while women engage in catfights more vicious than anything those "evil" patriarchs could dish out. Okay. Check.
Now, let's hear if from Echidne, who just can't stand to find that, gasp!, women are oppressors:
This piece sounds to me like yet another in that long series the Times has: What Is Wrong With Working Women? These stories always create or magnify a problem and then offer anecdotal evidence on how awful the problem is.Actually, Echidne misses the whole thrust of the article. No one here is saying men don't bully and harrass women. The piece notes instead that "women are taught to fight with one another for attention at an early age" and that this fact is emerging as a substantial impediment to gender equality.
To get to that point, the present article quickly slides by the facts: Men are more often bullies than women and if you work a little on those percentages you will find that male-on-female (heh) bullying is a larger percentage than female-on-female bullying. But never mind, we shall write about the latter! Yes.
Then we are going to pretend that all working women know the names of Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem and we are also going to pretend that these feminists believed in some universal sisterhood, easily shared by all women in a society which is still based on patriarchy.
See how it works? Now we have a problem of evil women keeping other women down. To the extent this happens, might it have something to do with the musical chairs that many firms still play with women? If only a few promotion slots are available for women, and if women know this to be the case, well, they are going to compete against other women, right?
The conclusion of the article tells us that this is a problem women should fix, what with all the other problems women have to cope with (such as guys bullying them more). Those other problems or their solutions are not, however, written up in the New York Times. It's much safer to focus on what is wrong with women themselves.
Also, this is not "anecdotal" evidence. The article discusses social science research using what look likes is large "N" workplace studies using survey questionnaire methods. Thus, by definition these are not "anecdotal" findings. But like it is with black civil rights, feminists like Echidne will endlessy claim "discrimination" while folks like Carli Fiorina and Condoleezza Rice blaze a trail of leadership across the pinnacles of power in American politics, business, and academe.
P.S. See also, Robert Stacy McCain's "National Offend A Feminist Week." I'm a little late to the party, but better late than never!
Hat Tip: Memeorandum.
Added: See also, Fausta, who calls "bullshit": "Having attended an all-girls’ school for 11 years, and having been bullied by a woman supervisor at work, believe me when I tell you that women are as obnoxious and bullying as any ..."
7 comments:
ahhhhhhhhh still a matter of seeing women as the weaker of the sexes, huh? only now it is the stronger or more powerful women who is doing it too.
might also say that these powerful women still see men as stronger than they are even if they hold the more powerful positions.
more could be said in this regards but i think i'll stop here. don't feel like getting into a hassle over the idea of the equality of the sexes. besides i've already said enouugh to qualify as a male chauvinistic pig. lol
Hi Griper!
Anyone who has spent time around the female gender should understand this for they see it everyday and in every way. You only have to listen to a women when they get together on a break. They slice and dice other women from the clothes they wear, to make up, to body style, et al.
I have daughters and grand daughters and I am constantly amazed at how they treat each other. When I worked I saw the same attitude, a little less in your face, from women there. In most cases it is never physical. It is usually psychological and cuts to the quick.
I suspect many a husband has wondered how that lovely person they married could say such things, but it is many time just an extenuation of how they treat each other and not really meant to do harm to you.
One can never take a feminist seriously for they are in most cases male haters and/or in search of that same power they use to destroy each other. And taking responsibility for their actions is not something they do. It is why they fit so well on the Left. Name calling, blame shifting et al is their shared experience.
Thanks Dennis!
Oddly enough the very best bosses I ever worked for and also the very worst were women. Yes they fight and politic and contrary to feminist idiotology they do not naturally co-operate.
How is it surprising to anyone that when women were allowed into competitive career fields, they became, well, competitive?What exactly is meant by "bullying?" Does it mean abuse for the sake of abuse, power-tripping, or does it mean the bellyaching of the people who came in second in the competitive game? Normally, you'd expect that both things occurred, but since "bullies" don't self-report, these things are almost entirely the reports of those who believe that they were bullied. How seriously can we take reports from those wallowing in self-pity?
I worked for a year in an office that was 90% women. They worked like oxen, chattered like sparrows and had the tempers of roid raging wrestlers.
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