Friday, January 23, 2009

Kirsten Gillibrand is Left's Blue Dog Nightmare

The news that New York Governor David Paterson will appoint Congresswoman Kirsten Gillibrand to Hillary Clinton's seat in the U.S. Senate has generated the usual outrage on the hard left.

Kirsten Gillibrand

The New York Post indicates that the Gillibrand pick has Democrats "howling" in disgust.

The Gillibrand appointment is one more indicator that secular progressives couldn't care less about political moderation and pragmatic policy responses to national crisis. We have a radical litmus test in place for the new administration, and, again, the leftist pull in Congress and the netroots fever swamps will raise one of the most important political challenges to Barack Obama's leadership.

The Village Voice reports that Gillibrand boasts a 100 percent rating from the NRA and:

Gillibrand has described her own voting record as "one of the most conservative in the state." She opposes any path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, supports renewing the Bush tax cuts for individuals earning up to $1 million annually, and voted for the Bush-backed FISA bill that permits wiretapping of international calls. She was one of four Democratic freshmen in the country, and the only Democrat in the New York delegation, to vote for the Bush administration's bill to extend funding for the Iraq war shortly after she entered congress in 2007. While she now contends that she's always opposed the war and has voted for bills to end it, one upstate paper reported when she first ran for the seat: "She said she supports the war in Iraq." In addition to her vote to extend funding, she also missed a key vote to override a Bush veto of a Democratic bill with Iraq timetables.
Gillibrand's record naturally inflames Allison Kilkenny at the Huffington Post:

Gillibrand is a Blue Dog Democrat, which is the name moderate Democrats gave themselves so people stopped confusing them with Republicans. Gillibrand is a pro-gun, fiscally conservative "Democrat." Blue Dog Democrats are the people who cower at the word "liberal," and fail to acknowledge that the only gains we - as a country - have made regarding civil rights were because of those dreaded, damn liberals.
And considering that gay marriage extremism has become a marquee cause of secular progressives since the November election, expect Gillibrand to come under fire on homosexual rights (via the Politicker):

On the issue of gay rights, Gillibrand received an 80 out of a 100 rating from the LGBT advocacy group the Human Rights Campaign. That was the lowest score out of New York’s Democratic representatives. According to the Human Rights Campaign, she voted against the repealing of “Don’ Ask, Don’t Tell” legislation, opposed legislation that would grant equal tax treatment for employer-provided health coverage for domestic partners, opposed legislation to grant same-sex partners of U.S. citizens and permanent residents the same immigration benefits of married couples and opposed legislation to permit state Medicaid programs to cover low-income, HIV-positive Americans before they develop AIDS.

16 comments:

Tim said...

She's not a Democrat, judging by her record. On gay rights alone she has a more homophobic agenda than the right.

That said, she must have some good points. I just don't see them based on this.

Donald Douglas said...

Actually, Tim, she's a Democrat ... that hard-leftists are not, at least not traditionally as that party identification has come to mean.

You and your allies will destroy the country, and even Gillibrand will help you, considering her liberal positions on abortion. But because she's moderate on defense and gay rights, she will be excoriated by nihilists like yourself.

Tim said...

Donald: How exactly are we going to "destroy the country" again? Or should I just read one of Grace's screeds?

You resort, almost exclusively, to fear-based language. One of the many reasons myself and others don't really take you too seriously.

She is supported by the NRA and she hates the gays. She should score high in your book.

At least she is supportive of reproductive rights. (For the record, if this is how America is to be destroyed, it sure is taking a long time.)

Donald Douglas said...

Grace doesn't speak for me, nor mainstream conservatives. You and the progressives are now in power.

Stop the Grace comparisons. I've repeatedly disassociated myself from her comments, which are over the top and not representative.

Conversely, the stuff you spout is mainstream leftism, and will destroy the fabric of our society.

Now, no more about Grace.

Tim said...

The only reason I mention her is that two are in tandem on one thing, and it's a big thing: We on the left both desire, and are somehow in the next 4-8 years, going to destroy the very fabric of society and America itself.

You want me to pull quotes again?

Donald Douglas said...

Tim: Grace calls for secession, and her remarks on blacks were politically incorrect, to say the least. Do not compare me to Grace. She has her views, and I respect her rights to express them. But she is not representative, and you do yourself a disservice by constantly harping on her.

Your brand of leftism defines the Democratic base. No serious commentator on the right advocates seccession. Now enough about that. Defend your nihilism without the red herrings, if you're able...

Tim said...

Donald: First of all, as I posted in your other daily abortion story, the numbers of abortions are falling, not rising. Factor in the fact that the population is increasing, not decreasing, and you can say that it is encouraging news if not a minor victory.

So to use that as a wedge issue for the destruction/decline of western civilization is disingenuous. Again.

I won't use Grace anymore. No problem. I don't need to.

But you respect her right to maintain these views, even though you disagree with them.

In my case, you consider my views "dumb," though. Stark contrast to the language you would use to describe Grace's skewed worldview. So even if you feel that way, you give her the benefit of her rights to maintain some pretty tripped out, non-mainstream views.

repsac3 said...

I'm not sure I even get the point of the post... Is it "Ha ha, she's almost a Republican" or "She'll only destroy a tiny part of America, while her nihilist allies in & out of her destroy the rest"?

For now, I won't even bother looking for those liberals praising the pick, rather than "howling" or whatever we're all supposed to be doing... I'm pretty sure such quotes are out there, but my posting them will only prove what most of us already know. No group, not even liberals or Democrats, all think alike.

It'd be like re-posting the Republican / Conservative anti-McCain screeds that were written & posted from the time he announced until the time he was the last 'pubbie standing... The anti-Gillibrand screeds means as much or as little.

Were this an elected post--& when it next is--it's likely she would lose. Since it currently ain't, and assuming the story's correct, we're stuck with her for a little while. Big whoop.
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Wait... Now we're getting somewhere...

Your brand of leftism defines the Democratic base.

Explain, Donald.

What mainstream Democratic base "leftism" will destroy the fabric of our society?

Donald Douglas said...

Tim: Again, you decline to address the key point. Grace's views don't threaten the very fabric of society. In fact, her near-racist rant the other day is disgusting and would be repudiated in polite company.

But your leftism is the rage, and instead of defending it you obscure, evade, and dissemble.

Society today is in shambles, and it's not because of the "evil" Bush administration. Enjoy your day in the sun, and try to offer better arguments to my posts than constantly lumping me in with Grace.

I don't delete her comments, nor do I delete yours. If you have an issue with Grace debate her. I write this blog, not Grace.

TRUTH 101 said...

Millions of sexually repressed right wing fools supported Sarah Palin not because of her brains or policy views. But because she was "hot." I figured a right winger like yourself would be satisfied that Ms. Gillibrand is hot enough to pass the test of the Republican Party's base of bigots and sexually repressed religious zealots Professor. But as usual, you hate her not for anything but the D next to her name.

Tim said...

I will ask but one more time, how do my views threaten the fabric of society?

Donald, every generation does that rant you are doing. If abortion is going down, then you can't use that as a wedge issue. If violence and crime levels drop (which they have in many places) then that is not a strong indicator.

What, pray tell, defines the destruction of the moral fabric of society?

Road rage? Come on, give us something to work with here. You aren't making a case.

Donald Douglas said...

Tim: If you are so big and happy about "abortion going down," why are you an Obama supporter?

This administration is the most extreme in history, as Professor George notes at the essay. This is not a wedge but one of the key defining issues of the next four years. I'm glad to have you on my side calling for deeper reductions, and in the repudiation of President Feticide's extreme anti-life agenda.

Norm said...

Seems her position on gay marriage has "evolved" or possibly flip flopped. She recently stated in an interview that she supported civil unions. But the Daily News is reporting at:
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2009/01/gillibrands-gay-marriage-evolu.html

The article states that the head of the Empire State Pride Agenda spoke to the Congresswoman last night. She now supports same sex marriage and the repeal of DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act).

Politicians....spit

TRUTH 101 said...

If jerks like Rick Santorum would have allowed bills banning abortion with exceptions for rape, incest and life and health of the mother go through without his amendments banning all abortion, you would have the law Donald. But Santorum knew that would never pass the legislature or the courts. His action gaurenteed abortion would remain the issue that would keep the religious right in the fold of the Republicans. Fortunatly evangelicas are starting to realize they've been duped and many of them supported Obama. The numbers of religious coming to the Democratic Party will continue to grow as deluded right wing fools like John Boehner spout off against programs designed to get us out of the economic crisis in the name of the right's failed ideology.

Donald Douglas said...

Norm: Posted on that above!

Leo Rugiens said...

Abortion will ultimately destroy America as left-liberals know it. How? Simple! Left liberals abort their babies, Muslims, Hispanics, and Asians do not. Demographically America is being changed by all the abortions obtained by left-liberals.