Friday, January 23, 2009

The Netherlands at the Crucible of Liberty or Slavery

The decision by the Netherland's Court of Appeal in Amsterdam to prosecute filmmaker and legislator Geert Wilders for "incitement to hatred and discrimination" is a blow to Western ideals of liberty and tolerance. Wilders is being silenced for speaking the truth in his short film, "Fitna." Here's this from Melanie Philipps, "A Defining Moment":
This is a defining moment for Europe. It is when people have to decide what side they are on. All those ‘human rights’ supporters who tell us endlessly that we can only defend our society against terror if we remain true to its values now must decide whether they are going to defend Geert Wilders against the attempt to criminalise him for exercising his freedom to speak in defence of life, liberty and western liberalism - or whether they are going to run up the white flag in the face of Islamist totalitarianism enforced by its already enslaved western dupes.

12 comments:

Tapline said...

Don, I haven't read anything about this injustice elsewhere, but will look around,,thanks for calling attention to this injustice,,but remember the netherlands is not America,,,Not that we won't change to fit the PC.....stay well...

Philippe Ohlund said...

Great post, Donald!

repsac3, you say: "Geert is a hateful, hateful man".

No repsac3, Geert Wilders is not hateful, but a typically Dutch person, who loves everything which is Dutch, and doesn't want to have anything to do with what is not Dutch.

The fact that prominent Dutch politicians usually get killed by Muslims, has certainly affected him also, compare with Matthew 4:15 - 16.

The Netherlands is the Israeli tribe of Zebulon, and the Dutch are very different from other people, including Belgian Flemish-speaking people.

And I think the Dutch have the right to keep their country Dutch if they want, don't you agree?

By keeping the very narrow tribal view of one of the more peculiar Israeli tribes, Geert Wilders - and probably not on purpose - furthermore defends democracy and our hard earned freedom in the West, and in a truly splendid way!

He shall have credit for that.

My personal opinion in all this is what the inscription on the cross of Jesus indicated; Israel, Greece, and Rome, united under Christ and the Jews, see Deuteronomy 28:1.

Thus; as important it is for Israel to regain every inch of what is Biblical Israel - and for Greece to regain the rest of Greece including every inch of the territories of Perseus such as Turkey and Iran - as important it is for what the Bible understands to be Rome, to get possession of all the rest of the world, so that these three entities can merge, where Israel is the heart, Greece is the intellect, and Rome (Italy and Germany-Austria) are the hands, and compare with Isaiah 19:23 - 25 and Genesis 27:22.

Donald Douglas said...

Thanks you, Philippe:

I deleted Repsac3's comment because it was taunting, aggressive, and totalitarian.

Wilders is not racist. He does not attack Muslims in "Fitna." He attacks the verses in the Koran which are used by Muslim extremists.

The nihilist left, folks like Repsac3, will demonize and distort to fit their grand agenda of submission of tradition to "progressivism."

It's freaky, actually.

Philippe Ohlund said...

You are welcome, Donald! :-)

I agree with you. This subject is intimately linked to cultural understanding.

Sorry if my comment became too lengthy.

It has been a long day, and I think I got carried away... :-)

Donald Douglas said...

No ... Philippe.

You always leave the most gracious comments. Hope all is well over there for you, with your job changes, etc.

repsac3 said...

Well, though I think that cowardly (& a little ironic, in light of the subject of the post) permit me to try again, with my main point, and little to nothing about the man in question or what I think of him.

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I don't agree with prosecuting hate speech, here or there... ...unless it's tied to another crime. Saying or writing a bigoted slur is offensive. Yelling it at a person while beating them up, or writing it on their person or their home, in an effort to frighten them out of your neighborhood, is a crime.

I can appreciate that the Dutch have these laws, so I guess Geert should be prosecuted. The laws exist, as a Dutch public official, Geert had to be aware of them, and the facts seem to indicate a strong possibility of his guilt according to those laws, but I still think those laws ought to ultimately be abolished, in favor of public recrimination of those ideas that the public finds bigoted, and continued prosecution & sentencing enhancements for crimes perpetrated in the name of bias.

I hope he succeeds in getting the laws changed, and I guess I hope that he does get off, on that basis.
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Hope this version passes muster.

Philippe Ohlund said...

Thanks, Donald!

I am only happy if I can contribute to the debate, for your essays are always very fascinating and interesting. :-)

I am also fine thanks, except for having got the flu from my daughter, and caughing, having fever etc. :-)

Normally I am never ill, but it is nothing serious. And I have got Belgian medicine, which in fact taste quite good. :-)

My new job is very interesting in an international environment, the atmosphere is great, and my colleagues are very professional and friendly.

I have not found an appartment in Brussels yet, which I need since I work close to the airport there, but I have sold an art-collection, and I am at least happy for that.

It is very strange. Every time I need something, I end up selling something else instead. :-)

Well, since I will move from a large house to an apartment in Brussels, I have to get rid of stuff.

My parents were painters and I had hundreds of oil-paintings, which I just not can bring with me, since I have sold my house.

But I wish I had my father's talent.

He made a painting, went to the local grocery store, asked for the manager, and then they agreed he could buy as much food as he wanted for the whole family for one year, in exchange for that painting. :-)

The court will pronounce my divorce in the beginning of February.

When my daughter has finished her school-year here for summer, she will live in France with her mother.

But I will be able to spend my vacations with her, and also some weekends.

I think I have reached good agreements for all sides involved.

Jason said...

Mr. Geert,

If you need a place to crash for a while or just need to get away you can find room in board here in America. I'll even let you stay in my guest bedroom until you can find a producer for your second movie.

And don't worry, most Americans own firearms including this one. So don't let those threats bother you. Besides, they generally don't go over very well around here.

Looking forward to you leaving Europe.

JBW said...

I've never seen Fitna nor have I ever heard of this Geert Wilders fellow but as one of "those ‘human rights’ supporters who tell us endlessly that we can only defend our society against terror if we remain true to its values" I wholeheartedly support his right to deliver any message he wants. If he's broken the law then he may have to pay for that but that doesn't mean the laws aren't wrong.

People who say that they celebrate freedom but are then cowed by religious nutball thugs are rank pussies. Remaining true to your values is more important in the face of danger and terrorism. If I'd been blogging at the time I would have published the Danish Muhammad cartoons proudly, not because I agree with their every message but because I won't have religious assholes bully me with terror.

I may not agree with Wilder's message (and if Don digs it that's a pretty good bet) but I am vehemently against hate crime legislation and censorship; in fact, I was going to say that anybody who would commit violence against Wilders or anybody else because of his film can fornicate themselves (fornicate was not the word I was going to use) but I'm not allowed to say that on this site.

And Philippe, I was a little harsh with you a few days back when you started going all Christian conspiracy theory on us and I apologize for it. I'd had way too much Pinot Noir and was feeling a bit riled up but that's no excuse. You are indeed one of the most gracious and polite people commenting on this site, and that's coming from someone who's momma beat manners and graciousness into my hide for eighteen years.

Philippe Ohlund said...

Thanks, JBW, I feel very flattered! :-)

There is absolutely no need to apologize.

And they say that those who will never lie to you, are kids and people who are drunk! :-)

I can be pretty hopeless and stubborn in my views.

I know some of my shortcomings, but yet I have such difficulties to change.

It was on the contrary refreshing to perceive your feelings for my comment.

I must change my attitude and how I tackle different questions.

Thanks for putting up with me! :-)

Average American said...

Expose the koran for what it really is and you are accused of "incitement to hatred and discrimination". Protest and carry signs saying "death to all infidels" or "death to all that insult islam" and you have done NOTHING wrong. Uhhh----WTF is the story?

repsac3 said...

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